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Old May 16th, 2011, 12:39 AM   #221
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I would imagine that the downtown core stations would have 5 and 3 minute headways, since they are running 3-4 lines on the same tracks. Stations that only have 2 lines running through would have 10 minute headways, but It's the stations that belong to individual lines that have the $hitty headways. Looking at the Map, the Red Line(Northern Half) during peak when the orange lines trains are running through would probably be the best it gets for a single line.
Looking at the map now, all 4 lines run at grade on one street through downtown. Impossible to get any sort of reasonable frequency out at the edges. Once expansion to the burbs is done, the city could do well to unsarl some of the traffic jam downtown. Either by splitting up which lines run on which street, or even better, splitting them up into tunnels. Portland runs 4 lines through downtown as well, but headways are kept reasonable because they only allow 2 lines to use a set of tracks.

Headways under 10 minutes are the happy convenience point where trains are frequent enough that a rider doesn't need to abide by a schedule to ride the train. You just show up at the station and wait for the next one.
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Old May 16th, 2011, 01:12 AM   #222
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There are a couple of informative articles at The Transport Politic:

New Rail Corridor for Dallas Would Double Downtown Transit Capacity

Its Big System Plans Now Stretched Too Thin, Dallas Considers Ways to Cut Back
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Old May 16th, 2011, 04:29 AM   #223
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I can't help but think that instead of light rail, Dallas should be running these:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kekQ1...eature=related

I think Dallas should try 30 minute EMU commuter rail service. Denver has the same issue as Dallas-trying to build a rail system in a city that's just not dense. Look at Denver's Fastrack Map: http://www.rtd-fastracks.com/media/maps/index.html

Notice that mostly the denser southern areas get Light Rail. The more spread out North and East get EMU Commuter Rail. Dallas' Light Rail acts halfway between light and commuter-Longer headways and very spaced out stations.
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Old May 16th, 2011, 10:31 AM   #224
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I can't help but think that instead of light rail, Dallas should be running these:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kekQ1...eature=related

I think Dallas should try 30 minute EMU commuter rail service. Denver has the same issue as Dallas-trying to build a rail system in a city that's just not dense. Look at Denver's Fastrack Map: http://www.rtd-fastracks.com/media/maps/index.html

Notice that mostly the denser southern areas get Light Rail. The more spread out North and East get EMU Commuter Rail. Dallas' Light Rail acts halfway between light and commuter-Longer headways and very spaced out stations.
What for? What they have seems to work pretty well and you wouldn't want frequencies at 30mins. In fact they should probably be increasing frequencies to encourage more people to light rail.
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Old May 16th, 2011, 06:35 PM   #225
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Looking at the map now, all 4 lines run at grade on one street through downtown. Impossible to get any sort of reasonable frequency out at the edges. Once expansion to the burbs is done, the city could do well to unsarl some of the traffic jam downtown. Either by splitting up which lines run on which street, or even better, splitting them up into tunnels. Portland runs 4 lines through downtown as well, but headways are kept reasonable because they only allow 2 lines to use a set of tracks.

Headways under 10 minutes are the happy convenience point where trains are frequent enough that a rider doesn't need to abide by a schedule to ride the train. You just show up at the station and wait for the next one.
That's the plan. The downtown transit mall is at capacity now with the Orange & Green Lines operational. Prior to Green Line start DART upgraded the transit mall to give the line signal prioritization. But any service problem through the transit mall downtown still affects the entire system.

There was an extensive study recently completed which outlined the second preferred alignment -- a mix of subway and at-grade rails. Any additional expansion will require the D2 line to be built. This has been delayed due to funding but will be required in the future. Until then, DART has been adding capacity with longer trains and extended platforms.

http://www.dart.org/about/expansion/downtowndallas.asp



DART's board of city/suburb membership makes it difficult when planning new projects. The city desperately NEEDS the D2 line, but suburban cities want expansion and new lines to their areas. The existing transit mall downtown was planned as a subway (with higher capacity) but was downgraded to a transit mall when funding for expansion to the suburbs became a concern.

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Old May 17th, 2011, 06:45 AM   #226
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Fair Enough, though the average rapid bus has better headways than that....

Are there any official ridership numbers ANYWHERE?

EDIT: Also I'm wondering why the TRE wasn't routed through Arlington? It makes little sense especially since Irving is getting the new Orange line next year anyway?
There will be when the APTA publishes the Q1 2011 ridership numbers (which should be in the next month).

As for your second question, "Arlington doesn't want public transit" should answer it nicely.
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Old May 18th, 2011, 09:00 AM   #227
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Arlington, TX is the largest city in the US without any kind of mass transit.
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Old May 27th, 2011, 07:10 AM   #228
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Oak Cliff Streetcar update:

http://blogs.dallasobserver.com/unfa...station_to.php



Here are the schematics with detailed engineering:

http://www.dart.org/about/expansion...rcentDesign.pdf
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Old June 1st, 2011, 05:53 PM   #229
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Representatives from Dallas Area Rapid Transit (DART) and the North East Texas Regional Mobility Authority will work together to explore rail connections between North and East Texas. DART President/Executive Director Gary Thomas and Jeff Austin, Chairman of the North East Texas Regional Mobility Authority signed an interlocal cooperation agreement marking the commitment.

The agreement recognizes the importance of coordinated transportation planning and advocacy as the two agencies work to expand rail in the area. Multi-jurisdictional cooperation is often cited by federal officials as a key to securing project funds. The agreement encourages the two agencies to identify "potential issues of mutual interest in the development of plans" for future rail service between the North Central, North East and East regions of Texas.

Information about the rail plans for the North East Texas Regional Mobility Authority are available at NETRMA
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Old June 2nd, 2011, 06:17 AM   #230
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I recently read that DART will be serving non-member cities through a newly authorized instrument authorized by the legislature which is akin to a seperate corporation. This will help DART and the non-member cities to get around a law which limits how much they can charge in sales tax, thereby keeping them from joining DAR via the required sales tax contribution.

Did I get that right DFW?
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Old June 19th, 2011, 11:37 PM   #231
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Right on time
It’s tricky to rock a rail line, but celebration shows public that A-train service ready for Monday debut

12:53 AM CDT on Sunday, June 19, 2011
By Bj Lewis / Staff Writer
http://www.dentonrc.com/sharedconten...3d464b4cf.html

The A-train has arrived.

Greeting the Denton County Transportation Authority’s long-awaited passenger rail line Saturday were public officials and hundreds of area residents — young and old — eager for their first taste of the new connection to Carrollton and beyond.

The Rock n’ Rail celebration featured train rides, musical performances and vendors at each of the five DCTA depots. Milling about the Downtown Denton Transit Center were Mayor Mark Burroughs, U.S. Rep. Michael Burgess, R-Lewisville, and state Rep. Myra Crownover, R-Denton, among other area officials.

“There is no downside,” Denton resident Kelly Pound said as she walked to the downtown station.

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Interurban train service not a unique concept for area
12:39 AM CDT on Sunday, June 19, 2011
By Les Cockrell / Region Editor
http://www.dentonrc.com/sharedconten...3d45eb88c.html
EDITOR’S NOTE: The historical information in this story was supplied through the Denton County Historical Museum and in a piece written by longtime resident and historian Mike Cochran.

Some of those who climb aboard the A-train for one of its long-awaited inaugural runs will no doubt believe they are local trendsetters, riding the crest of a wave of change brought about by growing traffic congestion, rising fuel costs and worsening air quality.

While the A-train will provide an alternative way for residents to get to work or attend an event, the idea of a commuter rail line is nothing new.

The plan for today’s A-train service won voter approval in 2003, but historians and even some longtime residents can testify that the idea for this type of service between Denton and the Dallas area dates back well beyond that date.

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Star-Telegram news story with photos
http://www.star-telegram.com/2011/06...s-set-for.html









All photos credits to STAR-TELEGRAM/RODGER MALLISON

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Old June 19th, 2011, 11:38 PM   #232
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I recently read that DART will be serving non-member cities through a newly authorized instrument authorized by the legislature which is akin to a seperate corporation. This will help DART and the non-member cities to get around a law which limits how much they can charge in sales tax, thereby keeping them from joining DAR via the required sales tax contribution.

Did I get that right DFW?
I think that's right, but I'm not sure on the funding mechanism details they are thinking of using.
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Old July 26th, 2011, 11:59 PM   #233
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The new Stadler vehicles for DCTA are on their way!





images from: http://translate.google.com/translat...-be-48-113.htm
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Old July 27th, 2011, 01:01 AM   #234
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Will they be used in double traction? Close to here we have a commuter line in a not too densely populated area and they use the GTW 2/6 EMUs in double traction (3 trains per hour per direction). What's the plan in Denton County?
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Old July 27th, 2011, 06:36 AM   #235
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DCTA has purchased 11 GTW 2-6 DMUs. The platforms are long enough for 3 vehicles, but they plan on running sets of two coupled vehicles each.
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Old November 9th, 2011, 07:11 PM   #236
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DART looks to link commuters, transit through social media, smartphones
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Published: Nov 6, 2011 11:16 PM

Dallas Area Rapid Transit is beefing up its use of social media, smartphone apps, text messaging, Twitter and more — all aimed at giving riders better information both before and during their trips.

“We know that customers don’t like waiting, and they want some predictability in their schedules,” said DART
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Old November 10th, 2011, 12:07 AM   #237
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Something I'm curious about. How difficult/easy is it to stick one of these Stadler diesel units on a track, add a few stations, and say ok, we've got a test rail line? I imagine the track and system has to conform to certain FRA regulations. I know Austin went through hell on this one. Ottawa, however, had their line up and running in months, while Denton took, what, about 18 months.
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Old November 10th, 2011, 12:56 PM   #238
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One problem is that the vehicles are narrower than most rail vehicles in the United States. The following photo shows the Sprinter near Oceanside, CA. The stations feature bridges between the platforms and the trains. The bridges have to be raised out of the way at night so that freight trains can use the line.



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This is weird. Why the platforms dont reach the tracks?
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This is weird. Why the platforms dont reach the tracks?
It is because the same tracks are used for freight trains in the evening hours. The ramps are raised at night so the freight trains can pass.

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