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Old August 2nd, 2016, 04:50 AM   #481
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Eh, I wouldn't say "tiny" and mass transit is actually very well built compared to most other Sunbelt cities... especially here in Texas.
It's tiny relative to the size of the urban area of nearly 7 million

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Old August 2nd, 2016, 06:02 AM   #482
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You can't live without a car in States and Canada (maybe partly in very few cities you could - but how many are there? 3? 4? Not many more). In some other countries - you can, easily.
I dont believe cities like Dallas or LA will ever be citizens-without-a-car-friendly.
You can't compare Canadian to American transit systems. Even in cities of 200,000 you can usually live without car in Canada. Canadian ridership is about triple US levels and for cities under 2 million it's often 5 to 10 times higher with no exaggeration.

Anyway. yes Dallas sprawls and it's downtown for a city it's size is small. Ridership sucks and frequency is not very good but all that said Dallas has done an amazing job in building a comprehensive rapid/mass transit system.

It has it's faults but Dallas residence can be very proud of how far they have come in such a short amount of time
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Old August 2nd, 2016, 06:30 AM   #483
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It's because Dallas is one of most auto-centric cities on the planet. It has a tiny urban core surrounded by endless suburban sprawl and mass transit is very limited.
When was the last time you were in Dallas?
Tiny urban core?

Sunbelt cities like Dallas have multiple cores spread out and multiple skylines to boot. Unlike dull one core cities like Baltimore.
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Old August 2nd, 2016, 06:57 AM   #484
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I dont believe cities like Dallas or LA will ever be citizens-without-a-car-friendly.
Dallas is emerging with its public transit system via DART. The transformation has been phenomenal. 30 years ago this was absolutely true. But now the urban core of the city is becoming far more accessible without car via light rail. Tourist and business travelers don't even need to catch a taxi from the airport now that DART connects the downtown core to DFW. It is possible to travel around Dallas without a car. People live and work in downtown. They can take the TRE to Fort Worth, DART to the suburbs like Plano or Rowlett. Though we are not there yet, Dallas is really pushing forward to becoming a pedestrian oriented city.

The only problem with DART rail is that the train arrivals and departures can be ridiculously protracted. That's my biggest issue.
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Old August 3rd, 2016, 12:10 AM   #485
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When was the last time you were in Dallas?
Tiny urban core?

Sunbelt cities like Dallas have multiple cores spread out and multiple skylines to boot. Unlike dull one core cities like Baltimore.
I never been there, but my dad used to live there in late 70's, early 80's before moving to MD. He wasn't impressed with it and I could see why despite the improvements in past 10+ years.
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Old August 3rd, 2016, 12:25 AM   #486
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It's tiny relative to the size of the urban area of nearly 7 million
You do know the entire area does not surround itself around Dallas, right?

There are TWO major cities in The Metroplex...
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Old August 3rd, 2016, 03:09 AM   #487
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I never been there, but my dad used to live there in late 70's, early 80's before moving to MD. He wasn't impressed with it and I could see why despite the improvements in past 10+ years.
Well then with that limited info how could you say there its just a tiny downtown with suburbs? That's like me describing Baltimore's culture just by seeing a pic of the city.

Dallas proper is 1.3+million. Metro is nearly 7 million. Forth largest metro in the USA. Even one of our "suburbs", Fort Worth, is larger than Baltimore! (Chill JJG just painting a picture) 792k Vs 623k. Our transit system is one of if not the largest in the nation!

Basing Dallas off of what your Dad saw in the 70s wouldn't be accurate information. Dallas is much more dense than it used it be and is bustling. I've seen it explode in the past few years. It's not just a downtown surrounded by strip malls. You should check out all the Dallas latest pics on this site.
I was gonna talk a little trash about Baltimore but it would be too easy.
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Old August 3rd, 2016, 04:33 AM   #488
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Dallas is definitely trending in the right direction but it will take decades to achieve the type of density that justifies investment in heavy rail.
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Old August 3rd, 2016, 05:23 AM   #489
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Dallas, Houston, Phoenix and Los Angeles are probably the four most notoriously autocentric cities on planet Earth.
Well, there are worst, much worst that those cities, particularly cities in the midwest that, although smaller, would make the cities you mentioned as transit paradises in comparison.

Cities in Oklahoma, for example, are like transit deserts. Oklahoma City has a very small transit system, with just about 22 routes, with hourly headways or half an hour at the best. Most of them doesn't run after 7 or 8 PM, many of them doesn't run on saturdays and NONE of them on sundays. Tulsa seems to be even worst. with headways between 45 to one and a half hour, and also without service in the evening, very limited on saturdays and no service at all on sundays and holydays, and with a daily ridership of only 10.000.

Although you may say they are smaller, thay are not that small, with a population of almost half a million for Tulsa proper and over a million in its metro area. OC has over 6000 people in the city, and almost a million and a half in the metro.

For comparison, Culver City bus, covering just a small area of LA, has a ridership about twice as large as Tulsa. And Santa Monica Big Blue Bus, another smaller bus agency in the Los Angeles area, has a ridership of 65 thousand, almost 7 times Tulsa's ridership.
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Old August 4th, 2016, 04:13 AM   #490
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Dallas was the equivalent of what Oklahoma City is today back in the 70s with a crime wave that made it one of the most dangerous cities in America at the time. Of course, this was true for nearly every city in America at that time period due to deterioration in cities caused by two main factors: Suburban growth and deindustrialization.

With cars and freeways businesses and people left and emptied the cities for the suburbs. With deindustrialization, or what I like to call "Post Industrial", the industrial base of major cities either shut down and relocated outside the city or to other countries. With all these factors, our major cities suffered tremendously. Urban areas became hives of violent crime and Dallas was no exception.

However Dallas, especially when compared to most other major cities, has really evolved. The Metroplex is now the official logistics capitol of the Western Hemisphere. For this reason both Dallas and Fort Worth have become a world class destination for businesses all over the world. What were once ghettos in Dallas are transforming into pedestrian oriented business and residential meccas. We have the nation's largest light rail system. Our homicide rate is now at 1930 level lows--back when Dallas only had a population of 200,000 people! There is a good reason why 35 companies from Silicon Valley have relocated to Dallas alone in the past few years. To say that Dallas has improved in 10 years is really an understatement. But the most incredible thing of all is how fast our light rail system has grown and the spur of growth it has caused along its lines.
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http://www.dallasnews.com/news/trans...evel-route.ece

Downtown leaders want new DART line to be a subway, but agency is sticking with street-level route

By Brandon Formby
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Published: 03 August 2016 03:44 PM
Updated: 03 August 2016 09:10 PM

Despite mounting calls from businesses, developers and residents in Dallas' urban core, Dallas Area Rapid Transit officials aren't likely to put a new downtown light-rail route underground.

"We don't see a way in which to be able to afford it," DART rail planning vice president Steve Salin told a room full of civic leaders and business people Wednesday evening.

The agency estimates that its controversial plans for a second downtown rail route, which would be about 79 percent at street level, will cost about $520 million. Putting most of the line underground along similar alignments would cost an estimated $1.14 billion. Last year, though, the agency estimated that one subway route under Commerce Street would cost $912 million.

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Hmmm if the support is there it might be possible for a subway to happen.
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what official made this official?
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If they really want it to go underground so bad DART should give the businesses and developers choice; either pay up or shut up.
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what official made this official?
" More and more decision-makers from across the globe have come to understand that the “region of choice” for a logistics operation in the Americas well into the next millennium will be the Dallas/Fort Worth Metroplex."

http://www.iipod-texas.org/wp-conten...tics-study.pdf

And from Global Trade Magazine, which lists DFW number 11 in top 50 cities for global trade:
"With superb cargo facilities at DFW, great rail service from BNSF and access to a plethora of interstates, it’s a logistic dream."

http://www.globaltrademag.com/featur...r-global-trade
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2 New Stops Added To Dallas Streetcar Schedule

DALLAS (CBSDFW.COM) – Riders will soon have two new stops on the Dallas Streetcar – locations on Zang Boulevard at 6th Street and between Davis and 7th Street in the Bishop Arts District[...]
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Dallas Digs in on Doing a New Downtown Rail Line Right

We talk here about things that go wrong, do we not? Bad things, frustrating things, things gone haywire. So if something looks as if it might be headed in a right direction for a change, we could mention it just for grins, right[...]
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There is a point when lines become just too congested like Dallas's where a subway makes sense.

It would free up space on the road above for a pleasant pedestrian way and allow for increased frequency even without higher costs as the train spend less time negotiating downtown traffic and more time serving the city itself.
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Does Dallas Really Have to Choose Between a Subway and a Streetcar?

Robert Wilonsky has one dud of a column in today’s paper about DART, D2, and the whole downtown streetcar business[...]
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