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Subway Dave
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Fort Worth, TX
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I'd read that the Orange Line out to DFW Airport has been delayed, yet construction seems to be continuing. What's up with that?
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Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: White Rock BC
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Those are very attractive stations.
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Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Dallas
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The extension to DFW Airport will open sometime around 2013. For a while it was rumored that this would be delayed indefinitely due to funding problems, but DART has promised Irving that this extension will receive priority over all other LRT projects (downtown D2 line, etc). |
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Subway Dave
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Fort Worth, TX
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D2 is a much needed, worthwhile project, but I don't know how they can possibly pay for it.
Am glad they are not indefinitely delaying the line to DFW. This has incredible ridership potential. Almost a captive audience. I've often wondered why the Trinity Express didn't run a spur up to the south entrance. It's not that far and would do wonders for TRE ridership as well. |
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Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Dallas
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^ Well, now DART has changed its mind...
Transit agency can't afford final segment of Orange Line to Dallas-Fort Worth International Airport 11:56 PM CDT on Tuesday, June 22, 2010 By MICHAEL LINDENBERGER/The Dallas Morning News mlindenberger@dallasnews.com http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcont....cc08752e.html Dallas Area Rapid Transit can't afford to build light-rail service to D/FW International Airport by 2013 as it has long said it would, the agency's chief financial officer said Tuesday. The news comes as a sharp reversal, but CFO David Leininger said the only way the project can be built in the near future will be if new revenues can be found, either through a new tax or, more likely but still uncertain, a federal grant that would cover the approximately $275 million cost of the final leg of the Orange Line. ... |
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Subway Dave
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Fort Worth, TX
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I'm not surprised. They are running out of money. Not, I think, because of poor ridership but because the tax base is eroding due to a poor economy.
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Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Dallas
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An update on the OCTA Streetcar (won $23 million in TIGER grants back in February)
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Subway Dave
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Fort Worth, TX
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Is there any way, I wonder, to integrate the streetcar system with the old Fort Worth subway? It could make for some interesting possibilities.
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Join Date: Jul 2010
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whats with the park and ride, is it suppose to be a light rail commuter train?
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Subway Dave
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Fort Worth, TX
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Which park and ride?
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Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Dallas
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DART Green Line aerial photo updates:
Photo updates from July 2010 (larger versions here ): Frankford/North Carrollton ![]() Trinity Mills ![]() ![]() ![]() Downtown Carrollton ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Farmers Branch ![]() ![]() Royal Lane ![]() ![]() Walnut Hill/Denton ![]() ![]() ![]() Bachman ![]() ![]() Northwest Rail Operating Facility ![]() ![]() Burbank ![]() ![]() Inwood/Love Field ![]() ![]() Southwest Medical District/Parkland ![]() ![]() ![]() Market Center ![]() ![]() Hatcher ![]() ![]() Lawnview ![]() ![]() ![]() Lake June ![]() ![]() Buckner
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Subway Dave
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Fort Worth, TX
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Here are a few pics of the construction in Irving. As you can tell by that last image, nothing pleases a metrophile more than being able to trainspot and hit balls at the same time.
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Subway Dave
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Fort Worth, TX
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PS Sorry about the image sizes. I have no idea how to size them down or edit them.
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Location: Dallas
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DART uses new financial assumptions to revive D/FW airport rail plan 07:16 AM CDT on Wednesday, August 11, 2010 By MICHAEL A. LINDENBERGER / The Dallas Morning News mlindenberger@dallasnews.com http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcont...1.3585d08.html Just six weeks after telling board members that it couldn't be done, DART executives on Tuesday presented their bosses with a 20-year financial plan that keeps the Orange Line rail service on track to Dallas/Fort Worth International Airport. They also presented a $1.25 billion budget for 2011 that cuts 87 jobs next year but will delay, for a year at least, layoffs. The 20-year plan would allow room for a second major rail project, an extension of the Blue Line to southern Oak Cliff by the end of this decade. That's a possibility that promised to draw a fight, or at least a debate, from some board members who think the agency should save its money to build a long-promised second downtown Dallas rail line that is now on hold. The draft budget for 2011 calls for trimming 87 full-time jobs at DART, few enough to be handled by attrition. It also anticipates some reduced bus and rail services, including having light-rail trains run through downtown every 15 minutes instead of every 10. ... In addition to the basic assumptions about sales-tax revenue growth, the new 20-year plan assumes a host of other factors that were not part of the plan Leininger presented June 22. Among them: • The agency will begin tolling high occupancy vehicle lanes within a few years. • It will begin charging at least some drivers to park at a number of station lots. • DART will find $100 million or so in unexpected funds, either from federal grants or other sources, to help pay for the extension to Oak Cliff. • Passenger revenue will rise again, despite having fallen significantly since 2008. Downtown line If the bets are well-placed, one big payoff could be the Oak Cliff extension of the Blue Line. But several DART board members said they were eager to hear from Dallas officials about the DART staff's proposal to give that project a higher priority than the second downtown line. The downtown line has been seen as a way to accommodate the extra trains anticipated once the full Green Line service, between Carrollton and Pleasant Grove, opens later this year and Orange Line trains begin arriving from Irving in 2012. Mark Enoch of Rowlett said DART might be better off saving the money it would spend on the Oak Cliff extension until it finds the rest of the money needed for the second downtown line. "I am concerned that we are limiting our ability to grow as a system," Enoch said. "We can't clog downtown Dallas." But other board members, including Pamela Dunlop Gates of Dallas and Irving's John Carter Danish, said the southern extension of the Blue Line is just as important to the development of southern Dallas as the completion of the Orange Line is to Irving. "If we are stretching ourselves to pay for the Orange Line on the basis of its economic development potential to Irving, then I think we should also stretch ourselves to make this happen for south Dallas," Gates said. ... |
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Subway Dave
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Fort Worth, TX
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They can expect lower revenues if the status quo remains for the economy, Charging for parking spaces will probably be a shot in the foot. Running more trains through an already clogged infrastructure (downtown) will affect service quality, which will in turn affect ridership as well. Extensions large or small will mean nothing if people stop using the service. There are more creative ways to deal with budgetary concerns than the panacea of passing the costs on to the consumer, especially while at the same time cutting or permitting service degradations.
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Subway Dave
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Fort Worth, TX
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One other comment, really more a question.
DART has a congestion problem because everything "centers" around downtown. But what if the system were redesigned - tweaked more than redesigned actually - to shift the thru-traffic to a different area. With all the decentralization that has occurred, I can see a second hub established in areas like Oak Cliff, Deep Ellum, even Bachman. It's as if we keep putting pressure on the downtown Dallas corridor without really asking why everything needs to run through there. I question how big a destination downtown Dallas is. How many DART users are traveling between suburbs? How many of those are "forced" to travel through downtown because that's where all the trains go. I'm not suggesting that downtown Dallas is a secondary destinqtion. Rather, that a double or triple bypass for DART does not have to occur in downtown to relieve downtown congestion. |
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Registered User
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Dallas
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Here's a video animation of the DFW Airport rail station:
http://www.star-telegram.com/videos/...ia_id=17287641 |
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Ordo Ab Chao
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Past: Northampton, UK (19 years), Auckland NZ (7 years), Now: Stockholm, Sweden
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Really does seem like a "park and ride" system. Are there decent bus feeders to the light rail? It seems a shame that walk-up patronage will be so low due to the desolate nature of the station locations. Few seem to be ideally located for anything but bus-feeder and park-and-ride.
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