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Old August 11th, 2010, 10:24 PM   #121
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They can expect lower revenues if the status quo remains for the economy, Charging for parking spaces will probably be a shot in the foot. Running more trains through an already clogged infrastructure (downtown) will affect service quality, which will in turn affect ridership as well. Extensions large or small will mean nothing if people stop using the service. There are more creative ways to deal with budgetary concerns than the panacea of passing the costs on to the consumer, especially while at the same time cutting or permitting service degradations.
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Old August 11th, 2010, 10:37 PM   #122
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One other comment, really more a question.

DART has a congestion problem because everything "centers" around downtown. But what if the system were redesigned - tweaked more than redesigned actually - to shift the thru-traffic to a different area. With all the decentralization that has occurred, I can see a second hub established in areas like Oak Cliff, Deep Ellum, even Bachman. It's as if we keep putting pressure on the downtown Dallas corridor without really asking why everything needs to run through there. I question how big a destination downtown Dallas is. How many DART users are traveling between suburbs? How many of those are "forced" to travel through downtown because that's where all the trains go. I'm not suggesting that downtown Dallas is a secondary destinqtion. Rather, that a double or triple bypass for DART does not have to occur in downtown to relieve downtown congestion.
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Old August 17th, 2010, 10:38 PM   #123
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Here's a video animation of the DFW Airport rail station:

http://www.star-telegram.com/videos/...ia_id=17287641
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Old August 19th, 2010, 06:17 AM   #124
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Really does seem like a "park and ride" system. Are there decent bus feeders to the light rail? It seems a shame that walk-up patronage will be so low due to the desolate nature of the station locations. Few seem to be ideally located for anything but bus-feeder and park-and-ride.
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Old August 19th, 2010, 09:34 AM   #125
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Really does seem like a "park and ride" system. Are there decent bus feeders to the light rail? It seems a shame that walk-up patronage will be so low due to the desolate nature of the station locations. Few seem to be ideally located for anything but bus-feeder and park-and-ride.
Yeah, that's the one thing I noticed when it rode it; that there was little in the way of anything around most stations in terms of buisness, but there are significant bus feeders to the stations, with most lines scheduled for timed transfers with the trains, but though there isn't much in the way of walkability with DART right now, it's still a young system, and there are examples of stations trying to buck this trend. (Mockingbird in Dallas, and I think a segment of the Orange line Irving if my memory serves me right)
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Old August 19th, 2010, 11:24 PM   #126
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You might consider adding the 15th St station in Plano to the list. The area around that station seems to have developed nicely.
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Old August 23rd, 2010, 10:46 PM   #127
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oh, the irony of the rail stations having giant parking lots...
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Old August 24th, 2010, 05:53 AM   #128
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Here are some pictures I took a few months ago. Enjoy

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Old August 24th, 2010, 06:10 PM   #129
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oh, the irony of the rail stations having giant parking lots...
Well, in the suburban U.S., this is pretty much the only way to entice people who would otherwise use autos to instead use transit (especially in areas with poor feeder bus route service).

In D.C., you wouldn't believe the absolutely massive parking decks some suburban Washington Metro stations have...they look like a baby "Borg Cube".

And who knows? Maybe one day these enormous parking 'lagoons' in suburban Dallas can be converted to transit-oriented development.
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Old August 24th, 2010, 09:05 PM   #130
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oh, the irony of the rail stations having giant parking lots...
Hehe, says the forumer named Casinoland.
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Old August 25th, 2010, 12:22 AM   #131
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Yeah, that's the one thing I noticed when it rode it; that there was little in the way of anything around most stations in terms of buisness, but there are significant bus feeders to the stations, with most lines scheduled for timed transfers with the trains, but though there isn't much in the way of walkability with DART right now, it's still a young system, and there are examples of stations trying to buck this trend. (Mockingbird in Dallas, and I think a segment of the Orange line Irving if my memory serves me right)
Brick Row @ Spring Valley and Greenville is in the making too.
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Old August 27th, 2010, 09:31 PM   #132
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oh, the irony of the rail stations having giant parking lots...
As train stations in suburban area's and smaller towns have everywhere around the world. I live in a small town(pop 40.000) some 50km from Brussels in Belgium. My train station has big parking lots even when 24! buslines stop at the station that connects all the villages and towns around mine. Thinking that this is europe and we need so much parking at a trainstation I find it normal that, in the USA where an extensive bussystem is not that obvious, trainstations have big parking lots. At least people can now take a train towards their work instead of driving there....Some people can't just see any good...
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Old August 27th, 2010, 09:40 PM   #133
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Even bigger Belgian towns and cities have giant parkings. They're just not visible because there was no room to create them above ground... They mostly have several layers of underground parking...

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Old September 28th, 2010, 10:31 PM   #134
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Old September 28th, 2010, 10:32 PM   #135
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Updated aerial images from Orange Line construction.....

Bachman Station junction


Over Harry Hines Blvd.


Over Stemmons Freeway


Over Trinity River


Adjacent to Carpenter Freeway


University at Dallas Station


Las Colinas Urban Center Station


Irving Convention Center Station


Over Carpenter Freeway


Over MacArthur Blvd.


North Lake College Station


Crossing Bush Turnpike and Beltline Rd. Station (DFW Airport, future terminus, in the distance)


More photos: http://www.dart.org/newsroom/imagelibrary.asp#orange
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Old September 28th, 2010, 11:51 PM   #136
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Is that the people mover in the middle right of the picture? If so, are there any plans at all to time the trains to make transit easier?

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Old September 29th, 2010, 07:56 AM   #137
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Is that the people mover in the middle right of the picture? If so, are there any plans at all to time the trains to make transit easier?

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Yes, it is.

The Las Colinas Urban Center Station includes access to the APT system. It will include vertical circulation and a connection to the adjacent station at the Towers at Lake Carolyn.







City officials are also considering expansion plans for the system: http://www.dcurd.com/ Currently, it only runs during lunch hours but will be updated to a fully automated system to better connect with the Orange Line.

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Old October 3rd, 2010, 04:48 AM   #138
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The following is some information on the light rail trains used in Dallas.
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Old October 3rd, 2010, 07:26 AM   #139
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I wish every major city in America had or started building something like this. We can't afford subways or metros America is broke but this is better than just having car infested roads.
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Old October 3rd, 2010, 11:00 AM   #140
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I wish every major city in America had or started building something like this. We can't afford subways or metros America is broke but this is better than just having car infested roads.
Well the Largest Metro Area in the US without any sort of Mass Transit is Orlando. Every Metro area larger (and many smaller), have systems of some sort, for a total of roughly 3 dozen Mass Transit networks throughout the U.S. varying from little heritage trolleys, to the massive New York system, but more of not the standard is Light Rail, which is what it should be.
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