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Old November 19th, 2010, 09:29 AM   #161
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Having seen the clip with the Green Line ride (post #130) it seemes to me that the line goes from nowhere to nowhere. There are only few houses seen from the train, not really dense populated area along the whole route at all. Let's hope, they will develope this zone soon, so that there will come ppl to use this new line.
DART has been built very heavily around the Park and Ride model, and Texas doesn't really have much in the way of zoning regulation. Nevertheless it should get some pretty good ridership (By US standards) because it hit several good destinations along it's route, the way the ROW is oriented just makes it difficult to see.
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Old November 19th, 2010, 10:56 AM   #162
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I should also note that alot of Transit Orientated Development has been built/sprouting up around the stations (ala Arlington, VA). Which has been very effective in spurring ridership increases.
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Old November 20th, 2010, 12:13 AM   #163
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Having seen the clip with the Green Line ride (post #130) it seemes to me that the line goes from nowhere to nowhere. There are only few houses seen from the train, not really dense populated area along the whole route at all. Let's hope, they will develope this zone soon, so that there will come ppl to use this new line.
The areas served, especially north of downtown Dallas, are actually quite dense. I wouldn't be surprised if ridership rapidly exceeds expectations. This is definitely not a line to nowhere.
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Old November 20th, 2010, 12:14 AM   #164
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I should also note that alot of Transit Orientated Development has been built/sprouting up around the stations (ala Arlington, VA). Which has been very effective in spurring ridership increases.
Now if only we could get the line to go to Arlington, TX. Supposedly it is the nation's largest city with absolutely no public transit.
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Old November 20th, 2010, 01:31 AM   #165
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^ That is truly bizzare. Doesn't it even have wheel trans for the disabled and elderly?
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Old November 20th, 2010, 05:36 AM   #166
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^ That is truly bizzare. Doesn't it even have wheel trans for the disabled and elderly?
The platforms at stations have short raised areas to allow Wheelchair users to board the train. And the recent retrofit of the DART trains added a new Low-Floor segment in the middle to allow people to get on without climbing up steps, though oddly enough, Wheelchairs still have to use the little raised platforms to board. If you were asking about bus service, well DART provides that to most stations as well, they're just a bit difficult to see given the chosen angle of the video.
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Old November 21st, 2010, 02:54 PM   #167
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Usa cities in general don't have transport system that rocks like the rest of the world! It's a pity but it is normal because historically people use much more cars
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Old November 21st, 2010, 08:38 PM   #168
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Usa cities in general don't have transport system that rocks like the rest of the world! It's a pity but it is normal because historically people use much more cars
So ur judging the entire country by one city....very pathetic....
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Old November 22nd, 2010, 01:02 AM   #169
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excuse me i don't want to polemic but i don't see even in Dallas trhread a solid stunning new project of urban deplacement.

if you have please give me the link! i'm a fan of what is well done worldwide! i have no preconceived ideas
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Old November 22nd, 2010, 04:31 PM   #170
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excuse me i don't want to polemic but i don't see even in Dallas trhread a solid stunning new project of urban deplacement.

if you have please give me the link! i'm a fan of what is well done worldwide! i have no preconceived ideas
go to www.dart.org
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Old November 22nd, 2010, 07:51 PM   #171
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sorry but i don't see what i call a 21st century metro like in Asia, paris or barcelona.
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Old November 22nd, 2010, 07:59 PM   #172
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sorry but i don't see what i call a 21st century metro like in Asia, paris or barcelona.
look at Philly , LA , DC , Nova , Seattle , Portland .....
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Old November 24th, 2010, 12:02 AM   #173
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Old November 24th, 2010, 12:57 AM   #175
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sorry but i don't see what i call a 21st century metro like in Asia, paris or barcelona.
There's a grain of truth to what you're saying. American transit systems generally don't look "spectacular" like Moscow's immaculate neo-classical stations or Naples' "modern art"-looking stations. New York and Boston, in particular, have some pretty awful-looking subway stations. Washington DC, Atlanta, San Francisco, and Los Angleles (all of which have much newer systems) have more attractive facilities.

Getting funding to build and maintain these systems in the U.S. is tough as it is; attempts at beautification would be regarded as a waste of taxpayer money. Americans are pretty conservative when it comes to design trends in general (for fun, compare American banknotes with Euros and see what I mean), so anything we build is likely to lack the "knock your socks off" edgy appeal of some newer European or Asian projects. We're more concerned with functionality, and the public realm has become far less important to American life post 1950, for a variety of reasons, hence the banal-looking buildings and infrastructure we typically construct today.

As far as building new Metros, we seem to be taking the most economical route and building a lot of light rail instead of heavy rail like most of the rest of the world. Once again, it's due to lack of public interest in funding these projects. Subway construction costs far more in the U.S. than anywhere else it seems, and construction in general is subject to lengthy environmental and community reviews (and is often scuttled by vested interests hostile to public transportation). And of course, highways and roads are generally seen as more important than mass transit, so comparatively little funding goes towards these types of urban rail projects. I think our use of light rail is a mistake in many cases (Los Angeles and Seattle, in particular) as it doesn't scale up well, and isn't "future proofed" against an increase in demand, but it seems to be the best we can do for now.

Add into all this the current political and economic situation of the U.S. and it's a wonder any big rail projects are happening at all (witness the cancellation of the ARC project in NJ and the scuttling of HSR in the Midwest). Give Dallas some credit; they're doing well enough under bad circumstances and have built the largest interurban rail system in Texas (puts Houston's one-line train to shame), even if they're not building a massive heavy-rail subway like Shanghai at breakneck speed.
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sorry but i don't see what i call a 21st century metro like in Asia, paris or barcelona.
Please define what a 21st century metro looks like.

In America, the best subway systems, Boston, New York, Chicago and Washington, D.C. all are great. D.C. is the nicest of them, then again it is also the youngest and by a large margin. For example the Metro was built over 60 years after the T was in Boston.

Having nice subway stations doesn't matter. Having clean stations, with service that is reliable and extensive is more important. You look at a city like Seattle, they have a nice gleaming new system, but it is very small and not nearly as useful as the the system is in Chicago.
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Old November 24th, 2010, 11:20 PM   #177
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Modern metro?

Line 14 Paris
Line 9-10 Barcelona
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Modern metro?

Line 14 Paris
Line 9-10 Barcelona
Beijing
Again the US also has modern subways/heavy rail systems.

Aside from the Washington Metro, we also have the BART in San Francisco, Metrorail in Miami and Los Angeles, and MARTA in Atlanta all of which are recently built.
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Old November 30th, 2010, 12:11 AM   #179
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Here is some information on the Green Line Station Art & Design Program:

http://www.dart.org/about/publicart/...tgreenline.asp

The Green Line opens this weekend! http://www.dart.org/about/expansion/...turday2010.asp



or VIEW THE PDF BROCHURE: http://www.dart.org/about/publicart/...ineArt2010.pdf

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Old December 6th, 2010, 06:09 PM   #180
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Green Line service (and Lake Highlands Station on the Blue Line) began today!

New Green Line 'starts to complete' DART vision
09:08 AM CST on Sunday, December 5, 2010
By MICHAEL A. LINDENBERGER / The Dallas Morning News
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http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcont...n.1bf8a3c.html

After nearly 30 years – and $7.4 billion in sales taxes collected – Texas' most ambitious experiment with public transit enters a new era Monday, when Dallas Area Rapid Transit trains begin running full-time on the new Green Line from southern Dallas all the way north to Carrollton.

The new line makes DART the largest light-rail system in the United States, an accomplishment that comes just a generation after the agency's creation. With larger trains, a longer route and stops at two of Dallas' largest medical centers, the $1.8 billion Green Line is more than just big: It begins to deliver on three decades of promises to make rail relevant throughout its service area.

"The Green Line really starts to complete the rail service" as envisioned in the 1980s, said DART president Gary Thomas, who has overseen the agency for nearly a decade. By connecting southeast Dallas, the Parkland hospital district, Love Field and beyond, "it really starts to complete the system."

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INTERACTIVE MAP: http://www.dallasnews.com/database/2010/greenline.html



DART INFORMATION: http://www.dart.org/news/news.asp?id=942










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