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Old June 11th, 2009, 04:00 PM   #261
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Now something about the different stretch layouts of S-Bahn Köln.
There are three classes of layouts:

1) Fully grade separated S-Bahn stretches.
2) Stretches which are used by other train traffic too, but S-Bahn has priority – these stretches sometimes have railway crossings.
3) Stretches which are used by other train traffic too and S-Bahn has no priority. These stretches sometimes have railway crossings.

In the case of 1) the platform hight is 96 cm above the top of the rails in the cases of 2) and 3) the platform hight is 76 cm above the top of the rails, because otherwise freight trains would crash into the platforms.


Examples.

Fully grade separated, S-Bahn only – station Trimbornstraße:

[IMG]http://www.**************/bilder/s-bahn-koeln-269403.jpg[/IMG]

Station Blumenberg (watch the platform height!):

[IMG]http://www.**************/bilder/br-423-262562.jpg[/IMG]

Stretch used by other trains too, but S-Bahn has priority – station Holweide:

[IMG]http://www.**************/bilder/br-423-262563.jpg[/IMG]

It can be seen that the platforms are not as high as at S-Bahn only stretches:

[IMG]http://www.**************/bilder/s-bahn-koeln-262943.jpg[/IMG]

Stretch which is not S-Bahn only and S-Bahn has no priority over all other trains – station Siegburg/Bonn:

[IMG]http://www.**************/bilder/br-423-262046.jpg[/IMG]

Between Herchen and Eitorf (Sieg):

[IMG]http://www.**************/bilder/br-423-262022.jpg[/IMG]
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Old June 11th, 2009, 04:41 PM   #262
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At the S-Bahn-Vorlauf-Linie RB25 (Diesel-S-Bahn) some platforms are only 38 cm high – station Marienheide:

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Old June 12th, 2009, 10:39 PM   #263
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Here can be seen a S-Bahn train class 423 on the so called Stammstrecke. The Stammstrecke in the centre of Cologne is a fully grade separated S-Bahn only stretch. In the background the tracks for the "normal" trains can be seen.
Because of the point of view the train looks very short, but it isn't:

[IMG]http://www.**************/bilder/s-bahn-koeln-249478.jpg[/IMG]
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Old June 12th, 2009, 11:01 PM   #264
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Cologne's airport loop has got two tracks which are used by long distance trains, regional trains and the S-Bahn. But the airport station itself has got four tracks, two for the S-Bahn and two for the other traffic.
Here can be seen a S-Bahn train which uses not one of the special tracks for the S-Bahn, but a track for the other traffic:

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Old June 13th, 2009, 08:54 PM   #265
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Now something about the signs which mark the stations.

The S-Bahn stations of S-Bahn Köln are marked with this sign:



It's the typical S-Bahn sign in Germany.


Cologne's Stadtbahn uses this sign:



So Cologne's Stadtbahn uses the same sign as the Stadtbahn of Frankfurt/Main and a different sign than the Stadtbahn Bonn uses today. In the past the Stadtbahn Bonn has used the same sign as Stadtbahn Cologne, but now they have switched to the usage of this sign:



It's the same sign which is used by Stadtbahn Rhein-Ruhr and by Stadtbahn Bielefeld. That means Cologne's network is the only one in North-Rhine Westphalia which does not use the "U-Stadtbahn" sign.

Note: In Cologne's network are only these stations marked with the "U" which are located in fully grade separated sections. Only real Stadtbahn (Voll-Stadtbahn) stations are marked with that sign! That's a big difference in comparison to Stadtbahn Rhein-Ruhr, because there all stations of a Stadtbahn number are marked with the "U-Stadtbahn" sign.
So Cologne distinguishes between "Voll-Stadtbahn" and "Stadtbahnvorlauf" or "Stadtbahnzulauf" very exact.
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Old June 14th, 2009, 03:25 PM   #266
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Examples.

S-Bahn station Longerich:


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Stadtbahn station Lohsestraße:


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Old June 17th, 2009, 12:14 PM   #267
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Some photos of the works for the new Nord-Süd-Stadtbahn.

Rebuilt station Schönhauser Straße is in service now:



Works for the new stretch connecting the Nord-Süd-Stadtbahn with the Rheinuferbahn are in progress:


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Old June 19th, 2009, 05:32 AM   #268
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Meeting of Stadtbahn trains of different series or classes.

B80D series 3 (left) meets B100S series 2 at Barbarossaplatz at platform 3 and 4.
Platform 3 and 4 are now part of the high floor network and will be rebuilt soon.



K4500 (left) meets K4000 at Heumarkt (low floor network):



B100S series 1 (left) meets B80D series 3 at Thielenbruch terminus (high floor network):


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Old June 27th, 2009, 08:57 PM   #269
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B80D series 3 and B100S series 1 coupled in Brühl-Mitte:




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From right to left – B80D series 3, B100S series 2 and K5000 at Thielenbruch terminus:


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From right to left – B100S series 2, B80D series 3 and K5000:


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Old June 28th, 2009, 07:47 PM   #272
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I have posted so many photos about Stadtbahnwagen B till now, so some information about it will follow here.

To understand the history of Stadtbahwagen B, the working horse of Cologne's Stadtbahn, I have to tell you something about the history of Cologne's Stadtbahn.
At the beginning of the 60ies the government of Cologne decided to build tunnel stretches, but at this time it hadn't been possible to get subsidies from the country of North Rhine-Westphalia or the German Federation. So the parameters of the tunnels had to be very moneysavingly. That means the curves had to be built with narrow radiuses for example.
That's the prehistory.

Later in the 60ies the government of North Rhine-Westphalia (NRW) decided to back the cities in building Stadtbahn networks and the German Federation did so too.
NRW created three Stadtbahn areas in which the local transport authorities should work together:

Stadtbahn Rhein-Ruhr (the Ruhr area and Düsseldorf)
Stadtbahn Bielefeld
Stadtbahn Rhein-Sieg (Bonn and Cologne)

NRW created requirements for the parameters of these Stadtbahn networks. The parameters were and are well-spaced. They decided to build a new Stadtbahn wagon for these parameters and called it type A. This Stadtbahnwagen A was supposed to have a space between the pivots of 12 m. Too much for the narrow curves of Cologne's city tunnel. Another problem: Stadtbahnwagen A was supposed to have power supply by life rail and not by catenary, but the city tunnel has been built for catenary usage.
So it was obvious that Stadtbahnwagen A was unsuitable for usage in Cologne.
Therefore Cologne and Bonn decided to develop an own Stadtbahn carriage, they called it Stadtbahnwagen "Kölner Bauart" or Stadtbahnwagen B.
The parameters:
Catenary usage, 100 km/h Vmax, to serve different platform heights, the ability to use tram stretches, space between pivots of 10 m and the ability to be rebuilt for life rail usage if needed.
Paragon has been the F74 carriage of Berlin's U-Bahn.

At the beginning of the 70ies three prototypes had been ready, one for Bonn and two for Cologne. The following tests had been so prosperous that the cities in the Rhine-Ruhr agglomeration decided to buy this carriage too, because of it's flexibility. Therefore the Stadtbahnwagen A was dead and has never been built.

The first cities in the Rhine-Ruhr agglomeration which operated Stadtbahnwagen B have been Essen and Mülheim, they received their first wagons shortly after Bonn and Cologne received theirs.

To be continued.
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This system to me continues surprising is very versatile and would far better say that that a system BRT, that company I construct them? I talk about the trains.


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BRT? Which sense should that make?
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The BRT is a system of buses of which they circulate in a confined track, and consists of articulated buses.



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I much prefer the stadtbahn system to BRT, but that's a personal preference having been on examples of both systems.
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The BRT is a system of buses of which they circulate in a confined track, and consists of articulated buses.
Thanks for the photo, but I don't see the sense for Cologne.
First of all the network is historically grown, second more than 130 km of the 192 km network are metro like, why substitute such a system by a BRT?
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Thanks for the photo, but I don't see the sense for Cologne.
First of all the network is historically grown, second more than 130 km of the 192 km network are metro like, why substitute such a system by a BRT?
No, to which I talk about is that in Mexico they themselves implanted east type of systems and the people of Guadalajara they do not like and against that system we preferred a system LRT or U-bahn.

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No, to which I talk about is that in Mexico they themselves implanted east type of systems and the people of Guadalajara they do not like and against that system we preferred a system LRT or U-bahn.

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Ok, now I understand what you mean.
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But don't forget that a Stadtbahn like in Cologne is very expensive, at the moment they are building the so called "Nord-Süd-Stadtbahn", it will cost more than 1 Billion € for 4 km!
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