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Old March 7th, 2009, 05:29 PM   #121
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Old March 7th, 2009, 05:59 PM   #122
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they just said in cologne local tv that they are send home cause they could do nothing!
nobody wanted this ******* subway!we didnt vote for it!they told us it would cost 300 million euros_now we are at 1 billion euros!
all the way they are building many buildings have been damged now this shit has happened!
and only for 4 kilometers of subway!

i bet they will go on as usual and many other buildings will collapse!
imagine if this building did collapse 30 minutes later!!!all the children who go home from a nearby school would be buried alive!or imagine it 1 weeks before when colognes main street festival "karneval"was taking place!and this region of cologne where the inccident happend is a hotspot!


it a shame...
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Old March 7th, 2009, 08:39 PM   #123
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nobody wanted this ******* subway!
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That's not right, I know many people who want this subway.
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Old March 7th, 2009, 09:48 PM   #124
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dude!i live in that area!dont argue with me i know all the people who are living inthe streets!all the people who have shops and appartments there!

the only one who wanted this was the Kölner Verbrecher BANDE

4km=1billion euros

these are gangsters stealing our money!
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Old March 7th, 2009, 09:55 PM   #125
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dude!i live in that area!dont argue with me i know all the people who are living inthe streets!all the people who have shops and appartments there!

the only one who wanted this was the Kölner Verbrecher BANDE

4km=1billion euros

these are gangsters stealing our money!
I know people who live in the south of Cologne: Bayenthal, Rodenkirchen etc.
They like the idea to be faster in the centre in a few years.
The subway is not only for you, it's for people of the southern districts and suburbs too.
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Old March 7th, 2009, 10:49 PM   #126
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4km=1billion euros

these are gangsters stealing our money!
I can totally understand you! it was the same in Vienna with the U2 extension, 1 billion for a pointless extension that ruined an important tramway and made everything worse for the people in the area, just so some politician can pose with a new subway station for a photo.
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Old March 8th, 2009, 09:40 AM   #127
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they just said in cologne local tv that they are send home cause they could do nothing!
nobody wanted this ******* subway!we didnt vote for it!they told us it would cost 300 million euros_now we are at 1 billion euros!
all the way they are building many buildings have been damged now this shit has happened!
and only for 4 kilometers of subway!
That cost over run aside, why wouldn't anyone want a subway system? It boggles the mind that some people could be so narrow minded that an improvement in transport is seen in a negative light in their minds. I guess they must be car users and would prefer underground free car parking spaces. What other reason could it be? Imagine if this was the thinking of all people in Cologne for all time, there would be no rail transport at all.

Building subways does not damage buildings, not if done correctly. There have been enormous subway construction throughout historical parts of the world for over 150years and something like this is a very rare occurance. The problem is not subway building itself but poor engineering by the firm responsible (if it is proven to be there fault)

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i bet they will go on as usual and many other buildings will collapse!
imagine if this building did collapse 30 minutes later!!!all the children who go home from a nearby school would be buried alive!or imagine it 1 weeks before when colognes main street festival "karneval"was taking place!and this region of cologne where the inccident happend is a hotspot!
So, what do suggest? All construction of all kinds must be stopped immediately to protect children? Buildings have collapsed whilst under construction, so should no buildings ever be built again? I fail to see your logic.
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Old March 8th, 2009, 05:40 PM   #128
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First Body Recovered in Rubble of Collapsed Cologne Archive

Some five days after the city archive building in Cologne collapsed unexpectedly, search teams have recovered one corpse. The find may give authorities clues to the whereabouts of a second missing person.

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Old March 8th, 2009, 08:20 PM   #129
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Photo Gallery: Cologne Tries to Save its Past

http://www.spiegel.de/fotostrecke/fo...cke-40338.html
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Old March 9th, 2009, 02:09 AM   #130
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very tragic. It's too bad so many people are opposed to it. Maybe they can talk to the community before moving on with such a large project?

I think all historic documents should be put on the web to avoid these kinds of losses. and of course maybe taking better precautions when constructing a subways system near a very historic building. Technically much of Cologne is historic.
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Old March 9th, 2009, 03:33 AM   #131
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Spiegel Online: "The Cologne archive was ... one of the most important municipal archives in Europe. ... Cracks had ... been discovered in the archive recently, but had been discounted."

==> It seems like a case of extreme carelessness. Cracks in a building have to be taken seriously during construction works, even more so if it is an important building.
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Old March 9th, 2009, 03:36 PM   #132
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I have seen a report that several buildings along the subway route have serious cracks. The inhabitants blame the subway construction for it.
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Old March 9th, 2009, 03:38 PM   #133
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very tragic. It's too bad so many people are opposed to it. Maybe they can talk to the community before moving on with such a large project?
People directly affected will always be opposed to project like this. If you let such NIMBYism rule you never get anything built again. No power plant, no sewage works, no road and no rail line of any kind. That is certainly no feasible way for a city.
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Old March 9th, 2009, 04:26 PM   #134
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As far as I know such things happened in Athens, Barcelona and Huangzhou too. In Munich 1994 a whole Bus vanished in the ground, three died.
In Singapore too.
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Old March 9th, 2009, 08:45 PM   #135
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Cracks appearing in structures is not a good sign. Engineers ignored or misjudged the problems. Is there going be a prosecution against them? I know accidents happen but It would be interesting to see if anyone did anything wrong on purpose here.
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Come on, what doing things in purpose ... they were just dumb enough to miscalculate.
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Old March 10th, 2009, 01:35 PM   #137
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At the moment none knows, what exactly happened.
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Old March 11th, 2009, 04:58 PM   #138
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The works on the Cologne subway is pretty much the same as it is in Amsterdam. Over here, a North-South line is being built as well. During the construction, several buildings didn't collapse but only subsided. Lots of people want to stop the construction nowadays to protect the very old inner city, because the cost overrun is also pretty much the same. Dutch TV-companies are still very interested in the Cologne accident and mainly ask the question: Can it happen over here as well? A crew of the Amsterdam municipality even travelled to Cologne this week.



At the Vijzelgracht station, four old houses subsided in the fall of 2008. The municipality want to connect the poorly-connected Amsterdam-North (north of the IJ waters) to the city center, and connect Amsterdam-South (Zuid/WTC area) to the center, because over there a massive financial district is being built.

But still, comparing both cases, I think both cities should continue building the lines. It is important to keep city centres well connected to other parts of town. History proves that subways are a very reliable way of transportation.
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Old March 12th, 2009, 04:04 PM   #139
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Many in Germany's fourth biggest city are asking if the collapse of one of Europe's most important historical archives was caused by the construction of an underground railway line. One report suggests work on the line wasn't done as carefully as it should have been.

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This incident in Köln has now put the Cityring expansion of the Copenhagen Metro on hold until further examinations have been made.
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