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Old November 13th, 2010, 07:48 AM   #2241
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Which kind of engines did KE chose for its A380?
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Old November 13th, 2010, 09:34 AM   #2242
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This is their fourth engine failure. Pretty scary considering that there are only a couple of dozen A380s in service. Coupled with those silly tubes in the A330, I think it would be a good time to buy Boeing stock....
The problem is not airbus but is a Rolls Royce engine problem. RR also fly on Boeings.
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Skymark to fly A380 to New York, London and Frankfurt in 2014
Melbourne, Rome, Los Angeles, Honolulu to follow 2015-2018.

Skymark intends to order up to 15 A380s.

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Skymark Airlines Inc., Japan’s biggest low-cost carrier, said it may order as many as 15 Airbus SAS A380 superjumbos as it adds international flights.

The planes, which would be delivered from 2014, would fly to cities including London, Frankfurt and New York, President Shinichi Nishikubo told reporters in Tokyo today. The carrier plans to fit the superjumbos with 394 seats, divided between business and premium economy.

Skymark plunged 16 percent on Nov. 9 in Tokyo trading after first announcing plans to add A380s and challenge All Nippon Airways Co. and Japan Airlines Corp. on overseas routes. The carrier currently only flies scheduled domestic services using a fleet of 15 all-economy Boeing Co. 737 planes.

The airline has signed a memorandum of understanding with Airbus covering the purchase of four A380s, the planemaker said in a statement today. Skymark intends to buy two of the aircraft itself and to lease the other two, Nishikubo said.

The carrier intends for the A380s to be profitable in the first year of operation, he said. Future destinations will include Los Angeles, Honolulu, Melbourne and Rome, he said.

Skymark, which is listed on the start-up Mothers section of the Tokyo Stock Exchange, fell 1 percent to 760 yen at the close of trading today. The airline announced its A380 fleet plans after the market closed.

To contact the reporter on this story: Chris Cooper in Tokyo at [email protected]; Kiyotaka Matsuda in Tokyo at [email protected]
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Old November 13th, 2010, 05:40 PM   #2244
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Rolls-Royce Links Engine Failure to Single Component
13 November 2010
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Rolls-Royce, the aircraft engine maker, confirmed Friday that a ''specific component in the turbine area'' caused an oil fire that forced an Airbus A380 operated by Qantas Airways to make an emergency landing in Singapore last week.

Rolls-Royce's finding came a day after Europe's air safety regulator ordered a new round of inspections on all A380 jetliners using Rolls-Royce engines after it said an oil fire in the Trent 900 engine of the Qantas superjumbo might have been to blame.

An uncontained engine failure is a rare situation that results in components detaching and exiting the main engine housing, often with explosive force. The failure experienced by Qantas was the first on a large civil Rolls-Royce engine since 1994.

In a statement, Rolls-Royce, whose headquarters is in London, said its investigations had led to two main conclusions.

''First, as previously announced, the issue is specific to the Trent 900. Second, the failure was confined to a specific component in the turbine area of the engine. This caused an oil fire, which led to the release of the intermediate pressure turbine disc,'' the statement said.

The directive Thursday by the European Aviation Safety Agency came as Qantas said that its fleet of six A380 superjumbos would probably remain grounded for at least two more days. Qantas is one of three airlines whose fleets are equipped with the Rolls-Royce Trent 900.

Rolls-Royce said its inspection of Trent 900 engines would be ''supplemented by the replacement of the relevant module,'' which would ''enable our customers progressively to bring the whole fleet back into service.''

Josh Rosenstock, a Rolls-Royce spokesman, declined to identify the component in question. But according to one person who had been briefed on the matter, investigators isolated a problem in the air-transfer tube in the cavity between the engine's high- and intermediate-pressure turbines. Rolls-Royce is preparing a replacement program for the component, known as Module 51, said the person, who requested anonymity because he was not authorized to speak on the subject.

Dominique Fouda, a spokesman for the European Aviation Safety Agency, said that, pending further findings in the investigation, the agency considered the replacement program proposed by Rolls-Royce to be ''sufficient to continue operations'' of A380s fitted with the affected engines.

Rolls-Royce made its disclosure on Friday as part of its interim management statement for the July-to-September quarter. The company, which had previously forecast earnings growth of 4 to 5 percent this financial year, said its full-year profit would be ''slightly lower'' than previously forecast because of the Nov. 4 Qantas emergency.

Louis Gallois, the chief executive of European Aeronautic Defense and Space, the parent company of Airbus, said his company was working closely with Rolls-Royce to investigate the problem and expressed his support for the engine maker, which is currently developing the only engine for its forthcoming Airbus A350-XWB, due to enter service in 2013.

''It is not just because an engine maker has a problem that he is condemned,'' Mr. Gallois said in an interview.

Asked whether the Qantas incident raised issues for the A350 program, Mr. Gallois said, ''We are three years before the first delivery. It means that we have time.''

In addition to Qantas, Singapore Airlines and Lufthansa of Germany operate A380s with the affected Trent 900 engines. Qantas and Singapore said this week that they had found oil stains on some of the engines in their superjumbo fleets.

On Nov. 4, a Qantas A380 bound for Sydney had to make an emergency landing after one of its Trent 900 engines failed. The blowout of the jetliner's No. 2 engine sent debris falling on Batam Island in Indonesia. The plane, carrying more than 450 people, returned safely to Singapore and Qantas grounded its fleet of six A380s.
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Old November 13th, 2010, 05:42 PM   #2245
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Qantas unsure when A380s will fly again: CEO

MELBOURNE, Nov 13 (Reuters) - Qantas Airways has been told modifications may be needed to the Rolls-Royce engines on its Airbus A380 fleet and it cannot predict when the aircraft will fly again, Chief Executive Alan Joyce said on Saturday.

"I'm not going to put a deadline on it," Joyce said at an event to celebrate the airline's 90th anniversary.

The Australian airline's six A380s have been grounded for nine days, after an engine partly disintegrated in mid-flight, forcing a fully-laden A380 to make an emergency landing in the worst incident to date for the world's largest passenger jet.

Rolls-Royce, maker of the Trent 900 engine that partly blew up after an oil fire, has said the failure was caused by a specific component in the engine's turbine and said it would replace the relevant module on its engines. [ID:nLDE6AA1VJ]

Joyce said Rolls-Royce had recommended further checks on A380 engines worldwide and proposed modifications.

"We're obviously conducting those checks," he said.

"They are proposing a number of different modifications and a number of different changes. So we will be working closely with them to get the aircraft back in the air as soon as we can. There's no timeframe on when that will occur."

Joyce said the aircraft struck by the explosion would not be written off.

Qantas has denied reports its six A380s planes would remain out of action for months. But it will probably take more than a few days to seek clearance from Australia's aviation regulator to fly the aircraft, a person familiar with the process said.

"Such a submission won't be happening until the second half of next week at the earliest and possibly later, so I don't think it's an accident Qantas drew up a contingency plan not to fly the aircraft well into next month," the person said.

Qantas has published an interim schedule until late November that excludes the A380, but said the schedule at short notice.

Rolls-Royce shares hit a record high at 661.5 pence on Nov. 1, three days before the engine failure. The incident saw the stock lose up to 14 percent of its value to a 563 pence low on Monday. It ended the week at 611 pence after it said the profit impact from its difficulties would be modest.

Airbus said on Friday its earnings may be dented and deliveries could be set back because of the A380 engine difficulties. It added that the scale of delays will depend on the amount of work needed by Rolls-Royce to fix the problem.

Keeping the A380 on track and lowering production costs has been a headache for Airbus, even before the Qantas scare.
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Old November 13th, 2010, 09:12 PM   #2246
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Coupled with those silly tubes in the A330,
This problem has also been fixed. They were designed and suplied by a 3rd party (Thales) who presumably make components for other manufacturers.

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I think it would be a good time to buy Boeing stock....
Not realy, its value has been falling since the 787 caught fire last week and no doubt it will fall again when they announce more delays whist they redesign/ repair the electrial system on all the other 787s.

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Old November 13th, 2010, 10:28 PM   #2247
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Qantas should replace its A380 with the well engineered General Electric or P&W engines. Roll Royce reliability is extremely low.
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Old November 13th, 2010, 11:12 PM   #2248
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Qantas should replace its A380 with the well engineered General Electric or P&W engines. Roll Royce reliability is extremely low.
I doubt they will do that, would cost a fortune and RR are probably bending over backwards to keep on Qantas's chirstmas card list.

One interesting titbit of information in one of the articles posted above is that the a380 involved in the incident will not be written off. Obviously the electical and hydralic systems can be repaired fairly easily but i wonder how they will repair the hole in the wing? The a380 wing is a marvel of engineering. The upper pannels are made from a single slab of aluminum 34 metres long and weighing 5 tonnes. When they have finished milling it to the correct shape and weight, it only weighs 1 tonne. Amazing


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Old November 14th, 2010, 06:49 PM   #2249
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A380 gamble wings Qantas
14 November 2010
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A QUEST by Qantas to become an early operator of the troubled Airbus A380 aircraft to help stave off competition from its rivals has backfired, experts believe.

The purchase of 20 super-jumbos, at a price of $332 million each, goes against Qantas's previously conservative buying practices, a senior aviation source said.

He said the airline would traditionally wait for teething problems to be fixed before buying new models.

"Qantas wanted to ... be the first and the fastest. It had to buy the A380 to compete with Singapore Airlines [the first airline to offer an A380 service] on similar routes."

Rolls-Royce, which makes the Trent 900 engines for Qantas's A380s, has admitted responsibility for two engine failures and other faults that have grounded the airline's six superjumbos since November 4, but not before Qantas suffered huge financial losses and blemishes on its safety record.

Qantas would not confirm if it planned to pursue a multimillion-dollar warranty and damages claim against Rolls-Royce even though the manufacturer admitted modifying its new Trent 900 engines to address a potentially dangerous oil leak.

The British company confirmed an oil fire on QF32 had led to the disintegration of a turbine disc above the Indonesian island of Batam.

An airline spokesman said yesterday compensation "was not on the radar at this stage" while it was working closely with Rolls-Royce to modify the engines.

Qantas chief executive Alan Joyce said yesterday he refused to rush the A380s back into service.

"We're not going to rush anybody, we're not going to be putting a deadline on it. We're going to make sure it's absolutely right before we have this aircraft start flying again," he said.

The airline has suffered four in-flight or pre-flight mishaps since the engine on a Singapore-Sydney A380 flight failed 10 days ago.

Another flight from Singapore to Sydney, of a Boeing 747-400, was also forced to turn back with engine failure, and yesterday a Sydney-to-Melbourne flight was temporarily grounded with a mechanical fault (see story at right).

Richard Woodward, an A380 captain and vice-president of the Australian and International Pilots Association, said Qantas was a "victim" in the Rolls-Royce engine drama.

"It is a customer of Rolls-Royce and had trust in its long association with that company. Qantas is a victim in some ways and will just have to wear it for the time being," Captain Woodward said.

Qantas has acknowledged that despite its strong reputation for safety - none of its planes has ever crashed - the latest engine dramas would have an effect.

Qantas management was also watching developments with the new-generation Boeing 787 Dreamliner aircraft to be powered by Rolls-Royce Trent 1000 engines.

In August, a Trent 1000 exploded in a British test lab. On Tuesday, a Dreamliner was forced to make an emergency landing during a test flight after a small fire in an equipment bay. Qantas has ordered 50 Dreamliners.

The Australian Licenced Aircraft Engineers Association said Qantas would suffer continuing operational issues because Rolls-Royce maintained the Trent 900 engines.
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Old November 15th, 2010, 09:40 AM   #2252
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November 15, 2010 - 3:09PM

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Singapore Airlines (SIA) has resumed flying two of three grounded Airbus A380s after replacing Rolls-Royce engines found to have oil stains, a spokesman for the carrier said on Monday.

"Over the weekend, two were put back into service," the spokesman said, adding that checks were still being conducted on the third plane.

One engine in each of the grounded SIA A380s was found to have oil stains and all three engines were replaced as a precaution.
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The airline was the launch customer of the A380 and now has 11 of the massive aircraft in service, with another eight on order.

The three SIA aircraft were grounded after a Qantas A380 using similar Rolls Royce Trent 900 engines was forced to make an emergency landing in Singapore on November 4 after one of the engines blew out.

Qantas has grounded its entire fleet of six A380s and not announced when they will fly again.

Rolls-Royce said last week that the failure of a "specific component in the turbine area of the engine" sparked the fire which caused the mid-air blowout on the Qantas flight shortly after it took off for Sydney.
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Old November 15th, 2010, 05:02 PM   #2253
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Airbus and airline happy with way jet handled explosion
16 November 2010
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AIRBUS says the Qantas A380 damaged in an engine explosion near Singapore 12 days ago handled the trauma as it was designed to do.

The aircraft lost a raft of systems, generated more than 50 error messages and reportedly suffered damage to a wing spar when a turbine disc disintegrated, destroyed the No 2 engine and peppered the left wing with shrapnel.

Some pilots have expressed concern about the extent of damage caused by the engine explosion but Airbus chief operating officer John Leahy said both the European manufacturer and Qantas were happy with the way the A380's ``fail-safe'' design handled the event.

Mr Leahy said modern aircraft were designed to new production and certification standards that included a high redundancy with the aircraft structure.

He said this meant a wingspan could be damaged and the loads it would normally bear would be redistributed.

``You don't have the old design standards of the 1960s and 70s, which is if you lose a structural part you may lose the airplane,'' he said.

``Here, you always have a separate load path.''

Mr Leahy said he did not see any significant issues with the plane's design but it would look at any recommendations from investigators.

He also had praise for the flight crew.

``The flight crew did a fantastic job, they followed all their training and procedures and stayed on top of it,'' he said.

``They were getting a lot of error messages.''

Mr Leahy said Airbus would not get access to the damaged A380 until this week and he could not say exactly how long it would take to repair.

He said the manufacturer would work with Qantas once it knew the extent of the damage and he assumed the plane could be repaired in Singapore.
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Old November 15th, 2010, 05:16 PM   #2254
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Airbus says A380 scare could trim 2011 deliveries

PARIS, Nov 12 (Reuters) - Airbus warned on Friday that investigations into an engine blowout on a Qantas A380 superjumbo could delay deliveries of the plane in 2011 as the planemaker focuses on maintaining the existing fleet.

"In such a situation, of course, the customer has priority, and the priority is to keep the 39 aircraft flying or back in the air as quickly as possible and I would not rule out some impact on the delivery schedule," Chief Executive Tom Enders said.

"I don't know how severe that would be," he added, referring to deliveries scheduled for 2011.

Airbus expects to deliver up to 22 of the world's largest airliners in 2010, he told reporters on a conference call.

Speaking shortly after Rolls-Royce blamed the Qantas scare on the failure of a single component, Enders said he had full confidence in the UK firm and insisted the image of the world's largest airliner would recover.

"It is not an incident that makes us or airlines happy but I am absolutely sure, given the positive reception received so far from airlines and passengers..., that the reputation of the aircraft will remain untarnished and increase in years ahead," he said.
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Another 29 Airbus A380 engines may be replaced -paper

SYDNEY, Nov 15 (Reuters) - Operators of the Airbus A380 superjumbo aircraft may have to replace another 29 Rolls-Royce engines after an investigation into a Qantas engine failure identified problems, the Sydney Morning Herald said on Monday.

Singapore Airlines may have to replace up to 20 Trent 900 engines, Australia's Qantas may need to replace another seven engines on top of the three already removed, while German carrier Lufthansa could be forced to find two new replacements, the paper said without citing its sources.

Rolls-Royce has been scrambling to find a fix for the Trent 900 after an engine partly disintegrated in mid-flight Nov 4, forcing a fully-laden Qantas A380 to make an emergency landing in the worst incident to date for the world's largest passenger jet.

Rolls-Royce said the failure was caused by a specific component in the engine's turbine and said it would replace the relevant module on its engines.

A Qantas spokesman would not confirm the Sydney Morning Herald report and said while more engines may need to be replaced, Qantas was not in position to put a number on it.
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Old November 16th, 2010, 12:38 AM   #2257
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And all this engine problems a month before busy christmas travel time. Must be a logistical nightmare for the airlines.
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And all this engine problems a month before busy christmas travel time. Must be a logistical nightmare for the airlines.
As for Qantas, they are often offering money (~€600 in cash or €800 in travel vouchers) and free accomodation to passangers willing to delay their flights for one or two days, as they're using 747 and some flights with the A380 were completely full and therefore now they suffer from overbooking. So yes, this is a nightmare for the company already, and it will be far worse in christmas
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Nov. 16 (Bloomberg) -- Qantas Airways Ltd., Singapore Airlines Ltd. and Deutsche Lufthansa AG may need to replace one component in each of the engines powering their Airbus SAS A380 fleets, Rolls-Royce Group Plc said.

Rolls-Royce, the world’s second-largest maker of engines, is working with customers to replace the part as inspections of its Trent 900 engines continue, the London-based company said in an e-mail today. The engine maker has identified the component that led to the blowout of a turbine on a Qantas A380 flight earlier this month and has said the incident is isolated to the Trent 900 engine, designed specifically for the A380.

“Over a period of time, it is likely we will replace the relevant module on all engines,” Rolls-Royce said. “We seek to minimize disruptions and this program will enable our customers progressively to bring the whole fleet back into service.”

One of the four engines on a Qantas A380 blew up shortly after takeoff from Singapore on Nov. 4, forcing an emergency landing and damaging a wing. The blast prompted Qantas to ground its fleet of A380s, while two other carriers switched engines and the European Aviation Safety Agency ordered mandatory checks of Trent 900 engines at regular intervals.

Qantas, Australia’s largest airline, kept its fleet of six A380s grounded for the 13th day as the Sydney-based carrier continued inspections of the engines and probed potential oil leaks found in three engines.

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Qantas fell 2.5 percent to A$2.72 as of 1:44 p.m. in Sydney trading, while Singapore Air dropped 0.1 percent in Singapore. Rolls-Royce declined 2.3 percent in London yesterday, when Lufthansa gained 0.5 percent in Frankfurt.

Singapore Air pulled three A380s out of service last week to change one engine on each aircraft. The last of three planes will be back in service today, Nicholas Ionides, a spokesman for the airline, said by phone. The carrier has declined to “speak definitively” on the number of engines that may require modification work.

Qantas has six of the double-decker A380s in its fleet, while Singapore Air, the first to fly the superjumbo commercially, has 11. Lufthansa operates three A380s and is scheduled to take delivery of its fourth this week, according to Frank Puttmann, the carrier’s Singapore-based spokesman.

“We are working with Rolls-Royce very closely, and the authorities,” Puttmann said by phone today. “So far, we have no findings on our engines, so all our A380s are on schedule.”

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