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Old November 16th, 2010, 12:48 PM   #2261
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Qantas should replace its A380 with the well engineered General Electric or P&W engines. Roll Royce reliability is extremely low.
The other engine option is the Engine Alliance GP7000 which is a joint venture from both GE & P&W.
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Old November 16th, 2010, 02:33 PM   #2262
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Airlines Worry Over Possible Shortage of A380 Engine Spares
16 November 2010
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PARIS -- Airline industry executives said Monday that an extensive inspection and replacement program of Rolls-Royce engines on their Airbus A380 fleets could potentially lead to a shortage of available spares.

The concerns follow Rolls-Royce's recommendation last Friday that the three airlines currently flying A380s fitted with its Trent 900 jet engines -- Qantas Airways, Singapore Airlines and Lufthansa -- replace a specific turbine component after an oil fire was determined to have caused an engine to explode on a Qantas flight earlier this month. That flight, carrying more than 450 people, was forced to make an emergency landing in Singapore.

''There are currently very intense discussions going on with Rolls-Royce and Airbus that focus on how new engines would be sourced,'' said one airline executive who asked not to be identified because the discussions were continuing.

An executive at another carrier said that because it was not yet clear how quickly the required replacements of the affected component could be made, it was difficult to determine the effect on the 20 A380s currently in service with Rolls-Royce engines.

''There may be enough of a shortage of spares now that engines may have to be taken off aircrafts that are still on the production line'' at Airbus, the executive said. Such a move could have consequences for airlines that had been expecting to receive new A380s next year.

Qantas, which operates six of the four-engine superjumbo planes, may need to remove as many as 14 engines -- more than half of the total -- as it carries out the recommended checks, said one person who had been briefed on the situation.

''Some of those engines will be put back on fairly quickly, but inevitably others will need to be deconstructed and all will eventually need to have the affected module replaced,'' said the person, who requested anonymity because the investigation was still continuing.

So far, Qantas has said publicly that it would remove and refurbish just three of its A380 engines on which oil leaks had been discovered in the wake of the Nov. 4 accident.

Asked about the reports, representatives from Qantas, Singapore Airlines and Lufthansa all declined to comment. Josh Rosenstock, a Rolls-Royce spokesman in London, also declined to comment.

Rolls-Royce has declined to identify the component that failed on the Qantas flight earlier this month. But according to one person who had been briefed on the matter, investigators isolated a problem in an air-transfer tube in the cavity between the engine's high- and intermediate-pressure turbines. Rolls-Royce is preparing a replacement program for the component, known as Module 51, said the person, who requested anonymity because he was not authorized to speak on the subject.

Mr. Rosenstock declined to say how long it might take to deliver all of the needed replacement modules. At least 80 of them would be required to repair the current fleet of affected planes, not including spares or engines which are currently still on Airbus assembly lines in France and Germany.

Thomas O. Enders, the chief executive of Airbus, said last week that the need for spare engines could disrupt the timing of new A380 deliveries in the early part of 2011, though he said it was not yet clear how severe the delays could be.

Airbus is scheduled to deliver three more A380s to Qantas before the end of this year. One more A380 is also slated for 2010 delivery, but it is fitted with engines built by the Engine Alliance -- a joint venture between General Electric and Pratt & Whitney.
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Old November 16th, 2010, 07:30 PM   #2263
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Lufthansa says A380 fine after landing gear check

MUNICH, Nov 16 (Reuters) - Lufthansa said technicians had found no problems with an A380 aircraft whose crew decided on Monday to have the plane checked for possible problems rather than take off to Tokyo.

"The aircraft was completely fine," a spokesman for the German flagship carrier said on Tuesday.

The A380, made by Airbus, had been on the way from the airport terminal in Frankfurt to the runway when the cockpit crew stopped the plane and asked for the nose landing gear to be checked, the spokesman said.

Passengers were taken to Tokyo on another A380, and the aircraft whose takeoff had been aborted was used on Lufthansa's route to Johannesburg later on Monday.

The A380 -- the world's largest passenger aircraft with an average list price of about $350 million -- has been hit by safety concerns after a Rolls-Royce engine partly disintegrated mid-flight, forcing a fully laden Qantas plane to make an emergency landing in Singapore on Nov. 4.
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Old November 17th, 2010, 07:38 PM   #2264
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China Eastern says no plan to buy Airbus A380

ZHUHAI, China, Nov 17 (Reuters) - China Eastern Airlines Corp Ltd has no current plans to purchase Airbus A380 aircraft, the company's vice-president said on Wednesday.

"We have plans to buy more planes," Zhang Jianzhong told Reuters on the sidelines of an airshow in China, but said the airline had no interest in the A380 superjumbo.

On whether Boeing Co would delay delivery of the 787 Dreamliners the airline had ordered, Zhang said: "It has already been delayed."

Boeing grounded its aircraft testing fleet and has made no decision on when it will resume test flights after one of the light-weight, carbon-composite aircraft was damaged by an electrical fire last week.
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Old November 17th, 2010, 11:28 PM   #2265
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As for Qantas, they are often offering money (~€600 in cash or €800 in travel vouchers) and free accomodation to passangers willing to delay their flights for one or two days, as they're using 747 and some flights with the A380 were completely full and therefore now they suffer from overbooking. So yes, this is a nightmare for the company already, and it will be far worse in christmas
I guess that I was right about the Scairbus.

Those 40 year old 747s are very good planes. So much so that the Germans (Lufthansa) passed over buying even more Scairbuses just to get the 747-8.
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Here's the matchup for the Scairbus fanboys

747-8 vs A380


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Old November 18th, 2010, 12:50 AM   #2267
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I guess that I was right about the Scairbus.

Those 40 year old 747s are very good planes. So much so that the Germans (Lufthansa) passed over buying even more Scairbuses just to get the 747-8.
omg not you again

The a380 performed extremely well in the qantas incident. An engine blowing up could happen in any plane, possibly with much worse consequences on older panes.

You have to remember that the a380 is bigger than the 747 and i dont expect everyone who wants a plane in that class will buy the a380. But with only 2 customers for the passenger version, Boeing needs to do better.

Funny how you like to use that childish parody of Airbuses name when you have nothing to say about the 747 catching fire this week, the 787 catching fire the week before and the 747 crashing in Dubai a few months ago.

Childish and annoying.

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Old November 18th, 2010, 01:10 AM   #2268
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I guess that I was right about the Scairbus.

Those 40 year old 747s are very good planes. So much so that the Germans (Lufthansa) passed over buying even more Scairbuses just to get the 747-8.
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THE first thought that strikes you is, just how does this leave the ground, followed swiftly by how amazingly quiet this beast of an aeroplane is
Airbus’s double-decker A380 is the biggest passenger plane in the world, borne by massive wings made at the company’s Broughton plant, near Chester.

And judging by feedback from top European carrier Lufthansa, the factory could soon be celebrating another ten A380 orders from the German group to add to the 15 already in the pipeline.

Executives and pilots alike enthuse about the A380, with a pledge to confirm further orders based on the performance of their first delivery in May.

Lufthansa marked the arrival of its second A380 with an inaugural two- hour flight from Munich over Germany and Austria as the pilot put the craft through its paces.

All 15 of Lufthansa’s 526-seat A380s – about 200 more passengers than a Boeing 747 – will operate out of Frankfurt.

“Feeder airports”, like its Manchester base which includes a sizeable business clientele from Merseyside, will deliver passengers for long-haul routes earmarked for the new fleet.

However, this second Lufthansa craft made its inaugural flight out of the Bavarian city after a ceremony naming her “Munich”.

Lifting off in driving rain, she twisted and turned over rocky and wooded terrain, even performing a fly-by of Salzburg Airport at barely 100 feet above the ground before pulling effortlessly up to her 13,000ft cruising height at 300mph with barely as much noise as an air conditioning system.

Also purring are Lufthansa’s management, who say the A380 is all that it has been billed.

The first craft, delivered in May, now serves the Frankfurt to Tokyo route and has run perfectly since entering service.

This second plane will fly the Frankfurt to Beijing service and two more due to join the fleet by the end of the year will extend the A380 network to Johannesburg.

Dr Karsten Benz, Lufthansa vice president sales and services Europe, said: “This is a very reliable aircraft that fulfils all our expectations and passengers are very happy.”

He said the A380 had already made such an impression that passengers were timing their journeys to coincide with its schedule.

“We have waiting lists for passengers who want to travel to Japan and now the bigger A380 gives us the opportunity to fly them there.

“This does not operate every day on the Tokyo route, but there are so many customers asking when the plane operates: ‘Is it the time I want, or the other way round, and if so I will change my timings’.”
Dr Benz explained that the routes flown by the A380 have been carefully selected.

“Tokyo is one of the strongest first- class markets in the world. Jo’burg is very strong for business and for economy in our winter period. Beijing, Tokyo and Jo’burg are the cream of destinations our network planners could make.”

He also revealed that the first A380 had entered service without the slightest problem: “Technically, it is operating at 100% – no problems in two months of operations.”
And Lufthansa director corporate communications Europe, Aage Dunhaupt, indicated that further orders will follow on the basis of the A380’s performance so far.

He said: “If the A380 works well, we will turn our 10 options into firm orders.”

The sheer size of the A380 – it has its own classification of “super aircraft” – has led to new aviation guidelines.

Its enormous 261.8ft wingspan – greater than the plane’s 238ft length – creates a huge wash of turbulence in its wake.

So much so that planes following an airborne A380 must leave a five-mile gap, while traffic controllers must allow a three-minute delay for planes taking off behind an A380.

But, nevertheless, the aircraft is a dream to handle, said one of Lufthansa’s A380 pilots, Captain Michael Langer, who was full of praise for the Airbus designers and its wing manufacturer in particular. He said: “This craft is amazingly easy to fly.

“It has been designed so nicely by the engineers, with huge wings and ailerons.

“They are designed so perfectly, so even a little input gets a quick response.

“It is like flying a small plane.

“It is so easy to fly and so much fun and so sensitive.”

He added: “We fly other planes and say, ‘if this plane had this bit extra it would be perfect’, and the A380 has it. It is easy to fly and very nice.”

The superior design is extended to the interior, with some of the most plush first and business class facilities in the sky to meet changing passenger requirements.

Lufthansa’s configuration comprises eight first-class and 98 business-class seats on the upper deck, and 420 economy class spaces on the main deck.

Dr Benz said: “First class has more space, more peace and more quiet.”

Seats convert to individual beds offering privacy with a separating screen.

Menus are designed by chefs who are changed every two months to ensure a unique offering.

Business class features a 6.5ft long seat with a massage function, while economy includes two extra inches of seat space and a seat-mounted entertainment system offering video and music on-demand.

Dr Benz added: “We don’t fear any competition – we fear changing customer behaviour, and we cannot rest on our laurels.”

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SYDNEY -- Qantas Airways Ltd. hasn't yet set a date for the return to service of its A380 fleet, according to a spokesman for the company. The spokesman made the comments Thursday after Reuters reported, citing Qantas CEO Alan Joyce, that 40 Rolls Royce PLC engines may need to be replaced in the global fleet of Airbus A380 planes. "We are working closely with Airbus," the Qantas spokesman said. "We have already removed three engines. Whether we need to do more is dependent on advice from Airbus," the spokesman said. He added that there is no date yet for the return to service of its A380 fleet. "We are still saying as soon as possible," he said. Airbus is owned by EADS NV .
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La Tribune: Nearly 100 investors want to sue EADS
17 November 2010
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A group of nearly 100 institutional investors plans to take European aerospace group EADS to court in the Netherlands for events which happened in 2006, lawyer Pieter Koestier said on Tuesday.

The investors suffered heavy losses in June 2006 when EADS' shares dipped by 26% following the news about the delays on the A380 aircraft project.

Abstracted from an original article in La Tribune (Plainte contre EADS aux Pays-Bas après la chute du titre en 2006).
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Not sure about American but I would love to see it in KLM blue!

Cant wait to see final Korean rolled out as well!
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Old November 18th, 2010, 10:02 AM   #2273
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I guess that I was right about the Scairbus.

Those 40 year old 747s are very good planes. So much so that the Germans (Lufthansa) passed over buying even more Scairbuses just to get the 747-8.
Well, after flying both of them from a passanger perspective the A380 is better in terms of comfort (e.g. less noisy), and honestly I very much trust the "scairbus" than the 747, specially since last incident as it only proved the A380 is very well designed and manufactured. And may I remember you that Qantas had an incident just after the A380 explosion with a 747?
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American livery looks really crap on A380. Perhaps due to poor render quality. Might look better if it was real. Unfortunately we will never know.
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I guess that I was right about the Scairbus.

Those 40 year old 747s are very good planes.
The two latest incidents involved a B747, not an A380 ...
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November 18, 2010, 6:44 AM EST
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Nov. 18 (Bloomberg) -- Qantas Airways Ltd. said half of the global fleet of A380 superjumbos using Rolls-Royce Group Plc turbines may need their engines fixed to replace a faulty part that caused a blowout on a Qantas jet earlier this month.

The engine maker may have to remove as many as 40 Trent 900 power plants from the aircraft to replace a part that led to the explosion on Nov. 4, Qantas Chief Executive Officer Alan Joyce told reporters in Sydney today. Each A380 is powered by four engines, and there are 21 in service with Rolls-Royce turbines. Joyce didn’t specify the time frame of the required switches.

Qantas has grounded its entire fleet of six A380s since the incident, while Singapore Airlines Ltd. and Deutsche Lufthansa AG have switched some engines on their aircraft. Airbus said today that it will press Rolls-Royce for full financial compensation caused by the disruption, after the planemaker’s CEO Tom Enders said last week deliveries may suffer next year.

“This is basically a recall,” said Ronald Bishop, a senior lecturer in aviation at Central Queensland University in Australia. “It must be a big worry to them if they are taking so many engines off.”

Falling Stock

Rolls-Royce, based in London, has said it will miss its profit target because of the incident. The stock fell as much as 6 pence or 1 percent, to 593.5 pence in London today, and has lost 3.6 percent since the Nov. 4 blowout. European Aeronautic, Defense & Space Co., the parent of Airbus, slipped as much as 11 cents, or 0.6 percent, to 17.21 euros in Paris trading.

Qantas itself has changed three turbines and grounded its A380s for about two weeks following the blowout. The carrier’s preliminary assessment has led Qantas to believe that 14 engines may need to be replaced, according to Joyce.

Lufthansa said today that it will switch another engine, after already exchanging a power plant after the incident. The German carrier has four A380s and the youngest fleet among the three airlines using the Rolls-Royce engines. Singapore has 11.

While Lufthansa and Singapore Airlines have been flying their A380s normally, they have intensified the number of checks they perform on the jets. The European Aviation Safety Agency, on Nov. 10 issued a so-called airworthiness directive to A380 operators with Trent engines, requiring them to inspect each engine after 10 cycles, and later every 20 cycles.

No Faults Found

So far, the inspections have revealed no faults, Singapore Airlines spokesman Nicholas Ionides said. Roger Hunt, a spokesman for Rolls-Royce in Sydney, declined to comment.

One cycle is equal to a flight from one point to another, so a round trip from Frankfurt to Beijing would constitute two cycles. The Singapore and Lufthansa A380s complete about 1.5 cycles a day, or 10 a week, indicating inspections will occur twice a month. Any anomalies found in an engine, such as leaking oil, would require removal of the engine from service until the part could be swapped, according to the EASA directive.

Qantas, based in Sydney, may be able to get more Rolls- Royce engines from in-production A380s if needed, Joyce said. Airbus has said it work with Rolls-Royce in helping to provide engines on aircraft being prepared for delivery next year.

Delivery Target

Singapore Air, whose A380s can seat 471 passengers, continues to work with Rolls-Royce, and any replacements are to be confirmed by the engine-maker, Ionides said. The carrier has already replaced one single engine on three planes after discovering oil stains. Lufthansa said the remaining 15 engines on its A380 fleet already contain a newer generation of a component recommended by Rolls-Royce and can remain in service.

Airbus is slated to hand over more than 20 A380s next year, with most of them going to existing customers. Gulf carrier Emirates, the biggest customer for the A380, and Air France-KLM Group fly superjumbos fitted with engines made by a General Electric Co. and Pratt & Whitney joint venture.

Qantas is due to receive its seventh A380 before the end of the year, Chief Financial Officer Gareth Evans told a conference in Sydney today. The list price for the model is $327 million, although clients typically negotiate discounts and get incentives for early orders.

The Australian carrier has yet to say when its A380s will return to service and Kearns declined to comment on a report in the Australian Financial Review today that the grounding will last until at least early December.
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Engine blowout was start of drama as Qantas pilots struggled with damaged wing, fuel tanks
18 November 2010

WASHINGTON (AP) - The pilots of a super-sized Qantas Airlines jet grappled with an extraordinary, cascading series of critical system failures after an engine disintegrated earlier this month, pilots and aviation safety experts familiar with details of the event say.

The pilots were inundated with 54 computer messages alerting them of system failures or impending failures during the two-hour airborne drama with more than 450 passengers aboard, said Richard Woodward, a vice president of the Australian and International Pilots Association who has spoken with all five pilots who were in the cockpit.

With only about eight to 10 messages able to fit on a computer screen, pilots watched as screens filled only to be replaced by new screenfuls of warnings, he said.

"I don't think any crew in the world would have been trained to deal with the amount of different issues this crew faced," Woodward said.

"The amount of failures is unprecedented," he said. "There is probably a one in 100 million chance to have all that go wrong."

Attention since the Nov. 4 incident has focused on one of the Airbus 380's four Rolls Royce engines, which experienced an unusual type of failure that blasted out shrapnel-like shards of metal, punching holes in the plane's left wing.

As many as half of the 80 Rolls-Royce engines that power A380s, the world's largest jetliners, may need to be replaced, Qantas CEO Alan Joyce said Thursday.

The 40 potentially faulty engines would need to be replaced with new engines while the fault is fixed, raising the specter of engine shortages that could delay future deliveries of the 7-story-tall superjumbo.

Qantas has grounded its fleet of six A380s, each powered by four of the giant Rolls-Royce Trent 900 engine.

But the picture emerging of the pilots' struggle to save the plane and its passengers has also raised questions about facets of the plane's design.

Airplanes are supposed to be designed with redundancy so that if one part or system fails, there is still another to perform the same function. That didn't always happen in this case, safety experts said.

"The circumstances around this accident will certainly cause the regulatory authorities to take a long and hard look at a number of certification issues," said John Goglia, a former National Transportation Safety Board member and an expert on aircraft maintenance.

The shrapnel sliced electric cables and hydraulic lines in the wing. The wing's forward spar -- one of the beams that attaches the wing to the plane -- was damaged as well. And the wing's two fuel tanks were punctured. As fuel leaked out, a growing imbalance was created between the left and right sides of the plane, said and a Qantas A380 pilot.

The electrical power problems prevented pilots from pumping fuel from tanks in the tail to tanks farther forward, he said. Gradually the plane became tail heavy and the aircraft's center of gravity began to move, he said.

That may have posed the greatest risk, safety experts said. If a plane gets too far out of balance, it will stall and crash.

Among the messages pilots received was a warning that the ram air turbine -- a backup power supply -- was about to deploy, although that didn't happened, Woodward said. The message was especially worrisome because the system only deploys when main power systems are lost, he said. The smaller backup supply is only able to power vital aircraft systems.

Airbus planes -- especially newer, cutting-edge planes like the A380 -- rely more on electrical signals and less on hydraulics than earlier generations of airliners.

Qantas declined to comment on anything that occurred in the cockpit during the emergency, or on damage to the plane.

"An international investigation is continuing into the QF32 incident and Qantas is assisting in those investigations," Qantas spokesman Simon Rushton said. He said the airline retains confidence in the A380.

Airbus spokesman Justin Dubon, pointing to the investigation by Australian safety authorities of the incident, said, "We can't feed any speculation. We don't know the full facts. The A380s is certified to the latest and highest standards."

Woodward praised the plane, saying it was a testament to its strength that it was able to continue to fly relatively well despite all the problems that were occurring. But he also said it's likely new consideration will be given to the design and location of the plane's electrical wiring in the wings.

"What we have got to ensure is that systems are separated so that no single point of failure can damage a system completely," Woodward said.

It was just luck that there happened to be five experienced pilots -- including three captains -- aboard the plane that day. The flight's captain, Richard de Crespigny, was being given his annual check ride -- a test of his piloting skills -- by another captain. That captain was himself being evaluated by a third captain. There were also first and second officers, part of the normal three-pilot team.

Even with five pilots working flat-out, it took 50 minutes to prioritize and work through each of the messages -- necessary steps to determine the status of the plane, Woodward said.

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Contributing to this report were Rohan Sullivan and Greg Keller in Sydney and Joshua Freed in Minneapolis, Minn.,
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you know what, given no one died in this incident, it is a good thing this explosion happened and the problems faced in real life. Lessons learned will only make planes better in the future. I would not say this if any passenger on board that plane lost
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Old November 18th, 2010, 07:07 PM   #2279
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I guess that I was right about the Scairbus.

Those 40 year old 747s are very good planes. So much so that the Germans (Lufthansa) passed over buying even more Scairbuses just to get the 747-8.
Lufthansa is a loyal Boeing customer for a long time, though the 747-8I will be in a few years the only aircraft made by Boeing in Lufthansa's fleet!
(current fleet: Airbus: 184 Boeing: 93 - the 737 planes will be replaced by Airbus A319/320/321)

Please tell me, why are there such a small number of orders for the 747-8I?
Just Lufthansa and Korean Air are interested in 33 747-8I. Nothing compared to the 234 orders for the Airbus380!

I personally like the B747-8I, it is and will be the (rare) queen of the skies, but the A380 is the King!
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Airbus may seek A380 cost compensation from Rolls

SHANGHAI, China, Nov 18 (Reuters) - Airbus will seek compensation from Rolls-Royce for any disruption caused by plans to re-assign engines in the wake of this month's Qantas A380 emergency, an Airbus spokesman said. He declined to say how many of the manufacturer's engines could have to be changed as a result of the engine blowout which forced a Qantas A380 to return to Singapore on Nov. 4.

"We can't comment on customers but we can say that any cost Airbus incurs, we will seek full financial compensation from Rolls-Royce," the spokesman said by telephone from Toulouse.

About 40 Rolls-Royce engines used in the world's fleet of Airbus A380 aircraft may need to be replaced to ensure safety after one such engine partly disintegrated mid-flight this month, Australia's Qantas said earlier.

Airbus has said disruption caused by the incident could delay A380 deliveries in 2011.
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