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Old July 4th, 2011, 12:40 AM   #3001
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Old July 4th, 2011, 12:48 AM   #3002
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Never see any american airliner at Australian airports. They seem to let Qantas do all the flying and only participate with codeshare. If they flew themselves they would need more widebody planes (747,A380).
United is flying to Australia from SFO and LAX



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Old July 4th, 2011, 01:04 AM   #3003
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also Delta and Hawaiian fly into sydney, so i wouldn't say no american airlines fly to australia
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Old July 4th, 2011, 01:11 AM   #3004
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Multiple US Airlines, I also believe Air Canada flies from Vancouver. So dont complain about No American airlines flying down to Australia. You just dont pay attention to the flight schedules or you need to tune into Airliners.net more often. Plus Australia is Qantas's main market and they need to fly elsewhere to fly the a380 and to make money. Also look into Airliners.net under Sydney airport and you will find US carriers.

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Old July 5th, 2011, 08:31 AM   #3005
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Hi:
my little contribution singapore airlines A380 landing at LAX.

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Old July 5th, 2011, 05:33 PM   #3006
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Old July 7th, 2011, 03:21 PM   #3007
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There is little incentive in the US to fly very large aircraft domestically because capacity limits are not such a serious factor as they are in some European and Asian locations. More so, there is easy and convenient daytime, nighttime anytime departures and arrivals. For very long east-west routes and vv there is lots of advantage in flying redeyes, this lower frequencies, higher capacity are quite logical. There are many routes for which large carriers have been flying a 747 and an A330 or similar at almost the same time. A single A380 gives serious savings in that situation. Such factors are rare in the US. That is largely why most US carriers do no longer fly 747 domestically if at all.
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Old July 7th, 2011, 05:15 PM   #3008
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They dont fly the 747 domestically or internationally.
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Old July 7th, 2011, 05:50 PM   #3009
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American carriers still fly the 747 - United and Delta still have these jets around on international routes.
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Old July 7th, 2011, 06:56 PM   #3010
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Giant and beautiful. Airbus going to rule the airline industries..
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Old July 11th, 2011, 12:52 AM   #3011
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Old July 12th, 2011, 04:16 PM   #3012
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This was unexpected...

http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...ic-routes.html

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China Southern to operate A380 on domestic routes
By Quintella Koh

China Southern Airlines will operate its new Airbus A380s on daily domestic Beijing-Guangzhou and Beijing-Shanghai Hongqiao services.

This would make the SkyTeam alliance member the first operator of the superjumbo to deploy the aircraft on domestic routes. This is due to high domestic demand for air services on both routes, said a company official.

The other existing A380 operators - Singapore Airlines, Lufthansa, Qantas Airways, Air France and Korean Air - only deploy them on international services.



China Southern will receive its first A380 in September and its second A380 in November, the airline's chairman Si Xianmin told Air Transport Intelligence in June.

Ticket sales for both domestic services will begin on 20 September, but a decision has not been made on when services will begin, said the company official.

China Southern's first international A380 service will be on the Guangzhou-Paris route, added the official.

The airline could increase the frequency on all three A380 services by end-2011.

It could also operate the aircraft on services to the USA, Si told ATI in June.
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Old July 12th, 2011, 04:41 PM   #3013
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A380 on domestic flights...I like.
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Old July 12th, 2011, 11:37 PM   #3014
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Why do people get so surprised at the A380 being flown on domestic routes? 747 was and still is, so it's not unheard of to have very large jets flying domestic.
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Old July 13th, 2011, 06:42 AM   #3015
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Yes and this is of course China too.
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Old July 13th, 2011, 04:47 PM   #3016
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Why do people get so surprised at the A380 being flown on domestic routes? 747 was and still is, so it's not unheard of to have very large jets flying domestic.
Simple. Flight cycles. Aircraft need inspection after an "x" number of flights flown rather than number of miles flown. As domestic flights are shorter than typical long haul flights (PEK-SHA & PEK-CAN are just 1.5 to 2.5 hours, versus 10+ on "typical" A380 routes), it is generally not cost effective to run such aircraft on such short routes, multiple times a day.

Now you mention Boeing 747s. These were the specially designed 747-300SR, mostly used in Japan. Besides smaller fuel tanks and extra seats, they also (most importantly) have strengthened landing gear, so they can undergo more cycles before the aircraft needs service.

So, the A380 as it stands isn't built for such missions and my own personal suspicion is that CZ will actually be using PEK-CAN/PEK-SHA as tag-on legs on long haul flights, namely CDG-CAN-PEK and JFK-PEK-SHA, much like what Singapore Airlines and Emirates do with their LHR-SIN-HKG (SQ) and DXB-SYD-AKL/DXB-BKK-HKG (EK) flights.
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Old July 13th, 2011, 05:06 PM   #3017
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Oh... and there's the ultimate design life of the aircraft:

http://www.airbus.com/company/aircra...certification/

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Testing accumulated a total of 47,500 flight cycles: 2.5 times the number of flights that an A380 would make in 25 years of operations. A 16-hour flight was simulated in just 11 minutes. The tests pushed the aircraft structure to its limits to identify any necessary design improvements.
In other words, Airbus only typically expect 19,000 cycles (that's 1 take-off & 1 landing) for a whole 25 years of the life of an A380 (@ 2 cycles/day). The other ultimate limit is the number of hours the airframe does and that's typically 100,000 hours (which means using Airbuses own numbers, an average flight is ~6 hours).

So CZ now uses a standard A380 on the PEK-SHA leg, which takes 1.5 hours. Say it does a return trip taking 4 hours, you can do a maximum of 4 in 1 day (morning, noon, afternoon, late evening). That's 8 cycles per day. You'll hit the 19,000 cycle design limit in about 7 years. CZ may have factored in the fact such A380s will "die young", but I doubt they will actually do this.
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Old July 13th, 2011, 05:49 PM   #3018
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Well, considering the congested airspace especially around Shanghai, the A380 will likely help alleviate by consolidating flights.
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So, the A380 as it stands isn't built for such missions and my own personal suspicion is that CZ will actually be using PEK-CAN/PEK-SHA as tag-on legs on long haul flights, namely CDG-CAN-PEK and JFK-PEK-SHA, much like what Singapore Airlines and Emirates do with their LHR-SIN-HKG (SQ) and DXB-SYD-AKL/DXB-BKK-HKG (EK) flights.
The main selling point that Airbus likes to say to asian carriers is that the A380 could relieve the pressure on some really busy asian roads though.
For japanese carriers notably.
I'm guessing some specifications for China Southern and others carriers which want to use the plane this way.
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