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Old November 3rd, 2012, 07:49 AM   #4201
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the othe Emirates its the A6-EED in the Video

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Old November 3rd, 2012, 08:08 AM   #4202
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so if it's A6-EED now, there would be 15 more to go to reach A6-EES aircraft registration.
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Old November 3rd, 2012, 06:29 PM   #4203
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Old November 4th, 2012, 10:40 PM   #4204
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Emirates A6-EEC, A6-EEB, A6-EEA

Do you know what is getting built in the background?
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Old November 4th, 2012, 10:42 PM   #4205
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Probably a hangar for constructing or repairing more A380s or Airbus aircraft.
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Old November 5th, 2012, 06:44 AM   #4206
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right its a new hangar for the A380. other hangar will be rebuilt for A320 Family paintshop
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Old November 5th, 2012, 06:51 AM   #4207
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Seems like A380 production keeps on growing indeed... That's why more hangars are needed to keep up with demand.
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Old November 5th, 2012, 09:15 PM   #4208
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so if it's A6-EED now, there would be 15 more to go to reach A6-EES aircraft registration.
Actually A6-EEG is built in Toulouse, but didn't fly yet.

I think Elktest's picture speak for itself... Emirates World
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Old November 10th, 2012, 04:00 PM   #4209
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Old November 10th, 2012, 04:25 PM   #4210
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that A380 looks really wonderful! I wonder if that aircraft will hold the flagship flight numbers for BA once again, BA001/2, between London and New York, from the current A318 service.
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Old November 10th, 2012, 07:16 PM   #4211
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Just read the news that Airbus is loosing the orders for 10 A380's for the HNA Group (Hong Kong Airlines)..

Thats a shame, because it would be one of the best looking A380 in the sky..

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/...8M985D20121109
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Old November 10th, 2012, 09:24 PM   #4212
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I think Airbus can compensate for that order loss with more EK aircraft... Perhaps adding more KE and CZ A380s.
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Old November 10th, 2012, 10:06 PM   #4213
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That's the 3rd order that goes down the drain after the Air Austral and Kingfisher orders. And the deferral of the Qatar and the Virgin order plus the last couple of Qantas deliveries. Plus all the wing issues. 2012 is not the year for the A380.

Luckily for Airbus there is always Emirates that have recently stated that they want to order another 40 in the near future. If it wasn't for them the A380 would have been a complete financial disaster for Airbus, now it just continues to be loss making. Something that can be compensated by selling so many A320s and A330s.
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Old November 10th, 2012, 10:35 PM   #4214
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I hope that UU will change its mind soon and reinstate their A380 order because it would mean it could bring in more passengers to the Indian Ocean island of Saint Denis de la Reunion. And that aircraft would most definitely be used on the RUN-CDG service to compete with the AF service.
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I hope that UU will change its mind soon and reinstate their A380 order because it would mean it could bring in more passengers to the Indian Ocean island of Saint Denis de la Reunion. And that aircraft would most definitely be used on the RUN-CDG service to compete with the AF service.
Nobody knows what UU is, better use the full name of the airline instead of the codes.

The Air Austral order was complete nonsense anyway, the A380 is not a plane for these kind of tiny airlines with a small market. Let's face it, Reunion is not big enough for an airline to fill a 840 seat A380 (that was their plan) on a regular basis between France and the Island. They wanted to become an alternative route between Europe and Australia, but going which such a high density on such a competitive route with low yields is simply not ever going to be profitable for such a small airline. Not even with a super high density A380, or better especially not with such a high density A380. Since they have already cancelled the Sydney route because of dramatically low load factors this won't be a way to fill up a A380 between Paris and Reunion any more.

If they would still take the A380 it will be their end, no doubt. It's just to big and expensive for them to operate.
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UU is the code for Air Austral. I use both airline codes and names at the same time; in this instance though, I forgot to name it since I was in a rush to pack and leave for the City.
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Luckily for Airbus there is always Emirates that have recently stated that they want to order another 40 in the near future. If it wasn't for them the A380 would have been a complete financial disaster for Airbus, now it just continues to be loss making. Something that can be compensated by selling so many A320s and A330s.
They sell the A380 at a loss? I somehow doubt it as it wouldn't make any sense to manufacture the plane in that case.

If you're trying to say the A380 project will not break even during it's life, well, you possibly can't know that can you.
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The cost of building a A380 is still higher then the average selling price. Usually the costs of building a new plane are still high at the early stages of a program but that should go down with the years as the program matures. But in this case the costs haven't gone down as much as expected. The problems that have been coming since the launch, like the current wing problems have kept the price up. You can imagine that it costs money to do rework on the current planes, plus a permanent fix had to be developed adding to the costs. And it has also slowed down the production process, that is also adding to the costs.

This will change if no new problems will arise, then it will become profitable in a few years time. The break even point, including the development costs is still far away and is still being pushed back with every delivery right now. It just depends on how long they will keep the A380 going. And it does look like it will have enough years to come, there's a small but big enough market to keep the production line going for years to come. Especially since there isn't really a competitor in the market in this size range. The Boeing 747-8 is a couple of steps smaller and is even selling worse.

It's also a matter of prestige, the A380 is their flagship product. So even if they don't make a direct profit from this project it still gives them enough prestige to keep it going.
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Nobody knows what UU is, better use the full name of the airline instead of the codes.

The Air Austral order was complete nonsense anyway, the A380 is not a plane for these kind of tiny airlines with a small market. Let's face it, Reunion is not big enough for an airline to fill a 840 seat A380 (that was their plan) on a regular basis between France and the Island. They wanted to become an alternative route between Europe and Australia, but going which such a high density on such a competitive route with low yields is simply not ever going to be profitable for such a small airline. Not even with a super high density A380, or better especially not with such a high density A380. Since they have already cancelled the Sydney route because of dramatically low load factors this won't be a way to fill up a A380 between Paris and Reunion any more.

If they would still take the A380 it will be their end, no doubt. It's just to big and expensive for them to operate.
I do not agree Momo, La Reunion is actually a big market from France, AF, Air Austral and Corsair sharing this market almost equally with more or less 33% each from Paris, all using 777-300ER or 747-400 with 3 to 5 daily departures (Air Austral and XL Airways also operates a few flights from other cities such as Marseille or Toulouse).
Moreover, this route kept growing these last few years (10% some years), even tough there was a societal and political debate about the high fares to go to and from La Reunion.
When Air Austral announced its A380 order, the carrier was in a strong financial situation and using the a380 on this route was making sense, especially when promising lowest fares by using a full economy.
Being an alternative on the kangoroo route, I don't think it would be likely, but they could fill them already well with the french from Reunion.
Also, Air Austral didn't completely cancel its order (even it's hard to imagine they will get them) but told they were thinking about all options, and also excluded the full economy idea.
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I do not agree Momo, La Reunion is actually a big market from France, AF, Air Austral and Corsair sharing this market almost equally with more or less 33% each from Paris, all using 777-300ER or 747-400 with 3 to 5 daily departures (Air Austral and XL Airways also operates a few flights from other cities such as Marseille or Toulouse).
Moreover, this route kept growing these last few years (10% some years), even tough there was a societal and political debate about the high fares to go to and from La Reunion.
When Air Austral announced its A380 order, the carrier was in a strong financial situation and using the a380 on this route was making sense, especially when promising lowest fares by using a full economy.
Being an alternative on the kangoroo route, I don't think it would be likely, but they could fill them already well with the french from Reunion.
Also, Air Austral didn't completely cancel its order (even it's hard to imagine they will get them) but told they were thinking about all options, and also excluded the full economy idea.
Very interesting. No wonder Air Austral (UU) operates flights beyond CDG and serve more cities in the interior of Metropolitan France, like MRS, NCE, BOD, NTE, and TLS (Marseilles, Nice, Bordeaux, Nantes, and Toulouse). It looks like St. Denis de La Reunion is a popular holiday destination for the French, and it does make sense for Air Austral to operate an A380 on the CDG-RUN route. I hope it will introduce its own F and C classes to compete with AF and Corsair services.
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