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Old December 11th, 2012, 09:56 AM   #4361
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Not that I don't agree with your first point, but the A380 and 787 are competitors in a sense of ideology. The A380 was developed based on the theory of passengers being funnelled into an airline hub to get to ones' destination, while the 787 was developed based on the idea of increasing smaller secondary hubs. So while yes the A380 and 787 have different markets in a sense, these ideologies are technically in competition with one another.
Well in that sense, Airbus is also competing with itself with the A350 and even the A330.
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Old December 11th, 2012, 11:42 AM   #4362
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A higher gross weight version and/or lower seating density? Maybe, additional crew rest areas, for example.
EK have two types of 380s, the LH "Long Haul" version that doesn't have crew rest for shorter flights, and the ULR "Ultra Long Haul" which have a crew rest area. Crew rest areas are only meant to house two sets of crew when the flight surpases the maximum hours allowed for one flight crew to work. Basically one crew takes the aircraft off the ground, the second crew takes over midflight, and the first crew handles the final segment of the flight right down to landing the plane.

The higher gross weight airframes that will come next year, and fly to San Fran, and LAX have nothing to do with the ULR crew rest, it's just higher gross weight because it will obviously have more fuel capacity.
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Old December 11th, 2012, 01:44 PM   #4363
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BA A380's confirmed seat plan !

http://www.flightglobal.com/Assets/G...x?ItemID=48942
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Old December 11th, 2012, 01:45 PM   #4364
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http://www.ausbt.com.au/ba-british-a...ws-articleleft

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BA reveals Airbus A380, Boeing 787 Dreamliner seatmaps
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The seating chart for British Airways' A380 shows each of the 12 superjumbos will carry 469 passengers across four classes.
As Australian Business Traveller revealed in September, British Airways won't be fitting an all-new Club World business class seat to the A380, opting instead for what a spokesperson described as "an evolution of the current seat".



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Old December 11th, 2012, 06:42 PM   #4365
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A higher gross weight version and/or lower seating density? Maybe, additional crew rest areas, for example.
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Well, EK has ordered additional A380 that can fly nearly the same distance as a B77W, in which, in my best guess, can be achieved by either lowering the seating capacity or improving the engine used for the aircraft. It's like making another variant for the same aircraft.
oh ok. thanks!! I thought modifying the fuselage or something
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Old December 11th, 2012, 10:26 PM   #4366
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EK have two types of 380s, the LH "Long Haul" version that doesn't have crew rest for shorter flights, and the ULR "Ultra Long Haul" which have a crew rest area.
Looking at www.planespotters.net the two EK types are configured F14C76Y427 and F14C76Y399. Does anybody know if they still plan to put any two class A380's into service?
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Old December 11th, 2012, 11:16 PM   #4367
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A two-class A380 would be a possibility... however, with a massive aircraft, how would you configure that aircraft? Like 80 C class and around 500 Y seats? Plus, what would you replace the Self-Service Bar with that configuration?
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Old December 12th, 2012, 09:20 PM   #4369
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Old December 13th, 2012, 01:17 AM   #4370
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So while yes the A380 and 787 have different markets in a sense, these ideologies are technically in competition with one another.
No even that from the moment Boeing's board gave away and allowed go on the 747-8 airframe.

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The contradiction also manifests itself on the popular New York - London route, where we don't see US carriers buy and deploy an A380.
No contradiction because not any single US carrier has lately ordered any VLA or plane bigger than 777 ....but you will see BA serving the route with their brand-new A388's


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A two-class A380 would be a possibility... however, with a massive aircraft, how would you configure that aircraft? Like 80 C class and around 500 Y seats? Plus, what would you replace the Self-Service Bar with that configuration?
No way!

A 2-class A380 is a nonsensical and that is nearly a contradiction of what A380 idea is.
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Old December 13th, 2012, 08:28 AM   #4371
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No way! A 2-class A380 is a nonsensical and that is nearly a contradiction of what A380 idea is.
I understand what you mean. However, the A380 is also designed to be configured with a mono-class layout (all Y), allowing like what, 800+ passengers? Yet I wonder if which airline/s will be able to do that because for 800 passengers per flight, it would mean axing several daily flight rotations and it could become a one or two flights a day.
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Old December 13th, 2012, 10:34 AM   #4372
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No way!

A 2-class A380 is a nonsensical and that is nearly a contradiction of what A380 idea is.
Air Austral, who have since cancelled their order, had originally planned to use their A380's on high density leisure routes with 800+ seating. Also, if JAL or ANA came knocking on Airbus' door for a domestic version, I'm sure they would not be turned away.
The reason for my question about Emirates and a two class version is because I am sure that some of their routes would support it. India, who are preventing EK from using A380's at present, would be one example. Of course airport infrastructure (as well as political dogma) are the main issues.
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Old December 13th, 2012, 01:04 PM   #4373
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According to Aviation Week, Airbus is working on a significant A380 order

http://www.aviationweek.com/Article...._p0-527595.xml
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Old December 13th, 2012, 05:44 PM   #4374
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I understand what you mean. However, the A380 is also designed to be configured with a mono-class layout (all Y), allowing like what, 800+ passengers? Yet I wonder if which airline/s will be able to do that because for 800 passengers per flight, it would mean axing several daily flight rotations and it could become a one or two flights a day.
Can it even be done? Will it pass the evacuation test? Actually, did they try certifying safe evacuation with an all-Y 800+ passenger list?
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Emirates has its A380's configured with all Y on the lower deck. Presumably, the ratio of passengers to escape doors can be similarly configured on the upper deck. So, yes, I'm sure it is possible.
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Can it even be done? Will it pass the evacuation test? Actually, did they try certifying safe evacuation with an all-Y 800+ passenger list?
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Old December 13th, 2012, 09:52 PM   #4377
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I understand what you mean. However, the A380 is also designed to be configured with a mono-class layout (all Y), allowing like what, 800+ passengers?
Any plane is always designed with its MTOW and the MTOW is the solely top limit. Customers will configure the plane according their own needs ...but it's pretty difficult that any single airline find commercially suitable a 2-class A380

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Air Austral, who have since cancelled their order, had originally planned to use their A380's on high density leisure routes with 800+ seating.
Please note I said "2-class configuration" ... nobody have ordered so far any A380 (or 747-8I) with a 2-class configuration. Never. It even could have more sense just an unique configuration (for charters and wholesale travel agencies) than a 2-class as it's very unusual a network airline can ask for the whole jet with only 2-class configuration ...more logical is to put a 4 class configuration* like BA has just chosen

*(First, Business, Economy + and Standard Economy)

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Also, if JAL or ANA came knocking on Airbus' door for a domestic version, I'm sure they would not be turned away.
Both, JAL and ANA have many times said that the biggest aircraft on the post-747 era is the 77W. So, it's highly unlikely to see a VLA fleet on the Japan's two biggest carriers.

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The reason for my question about Emirates and a two class version is because I am sure that some of their routes would support it. India, who are preventing EK from using A380's at present, would be one example. Of course airport infrastructure (as well as political dogma) are the main issues.
While I agree with you the only and the tiny chance to see it is on the Emirates' A388 it is still nearly impossible. For just 2 class, EK has their 777's

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Can it even be done? Will it pass the evacuation test? Actually, did they try certifying safe evacuation with an all-Y 800+ passenger list?
.... if not, why on earth could be the A380 flying today on the World's skies?
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Old December 13th, 2012, 11:11 PM   #4378
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It took a bit of finding but there is reference to a 2 class 644 seat EK A380 in the link below.


http://www.gulfnews.com/business/Aviation/10130563.html
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Old December 14th, 2012, 12:25 AM   #4380
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Does anybody know if they still plan to put any two class A380's into service?
Yes, it is an old article, hence my original question.
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