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Old April 28th, 2005, 04:35 AM   #481
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Old April 28th, 2005, 06:29 AM   #482
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I think most people like to take sides on who is right about the A380, Boeing or Airbus. I think they're BOTH right... the 787 will be the new "workhorse" of fleets, while the old-sized workhorses like the 737 will be demoted to regional status. Let's face it... the # of travelers isn't ever going to decrease. The A380 will become the backbone of trans-continental travel, much like the 747 is currently and has been in the past.

I think it's important to note that Boeing's attacks on the A380, such as "Is there a market for a plane this big?" and "Will enough airports accomodate it?" and so on, THESE ARE THE EXACT SAME QUESTIONS POSED TO BOEING WHEN THEY FIRST BUILT THE 747! And look how marvelously they proved the doubters wrong. Their competitors at the time, Lockheed and MD, built trijets saying there wasn't a market for the 747. Look who won!

Airbus is doing quite well with 150+ orders, and keeping the budget relatively under control... Remember the 747 nearly bankrupted Boeing, they essentially based their company on its success. And today, I think Airbus has silenced the doubters.
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Old April 28th, 2005, 11:12 AM   #483
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That was a great take off

who can post a link to a downloadable video of take off and landing please ?

i'm actually in the process on downloading one on emule, but i guess it won't be ready before tomorrow or later today...
Here is a good link for the takeoff:
http://www.melbournephotos.net/misc/a380C.avi
Thanks to dan from the Aussie forums.
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Old April 28th, 2005, 03:46 PM   #484
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The Yanks over on SSP are saying things like, but is there really a need for such a large plane, what about disabled access, A380's ugly, Boeing got another multi billion contract. Anything to make themselves feel better. Envy is a terrible thing.
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Old April 28th, 2005, 04:19 PM   #485
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Tricycle should be more accurate, reffering to a plane

I hope I have chance to fly on one of those next year on SIA :-)
As I'm sure you know, the first plane goes to Singapore Airlines, and the first flight is going to be the "kangaroo hop," from London (Heathrow, I'm sure) to Singapore and then to Sydney.
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Old April 28th, 2005, 05:20 PM   #486
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Here is a good link for the takeoff:
http://www.melbournephotos.net/misc/a380C.avi
Thanks to dan from the Aussie forums.
thanx ! nice video indeed !

for those who wanna dowload other great videos (and one of landing) go there :

http://www.airliners.net/discussions....main/2077970/
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Old April 28th, 2005, 06:13 PM   #487
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I hope I have chance to fly on one of those next year on SIA :-)
Will be quite some time to wait. I wonder if I can be part of the inaugural flights when it happens one year from now too!
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Old April 28th, 2005, 06:16 PM   #488
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I think most people like to take sides on who is right about the A380, Boeing or Airbus. I think they're BOTH right... the 787 will be the new "workhorse" of fleets, while the old-sized workhorses like the 737 will be demoted to regional status. Let's face it... the # of travelers isn't ever going to decrease. The A380 will become the backbone of trans-continental travel, much like the 747 is currently and has been in the past.

I think it's important to note that Boeing's attacks on the A380, such as "Is there a market for a plane this big?" and "Will enough airports accomodate it?" and so on, THESE ARE THE EXACT SAME QUESTIONS POSED TO BOEING WHEN THEY FIRST BUILT THE 747! And look how marvelously they proved the doubters wrong. Their competitors at the time, Lockheed and MD, built trijets saying there wasn't a market for the 747. Look who won!

Airbus is doing quite well with 150+ orders, and keeping the budget relatively under control... Remember the 747 nearly bankrupted Boeing, they essentially based their company on its success. And today, I think Airbus has silenced the doubters.
Perfectly agree with that! In fact, it was the basis for some of my arguments in my "mini-thesis" completed only 2 weeks ago!
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Old April 28th, 2005, 07:58 PM   #489
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I think it's important to note that Boeing's attacks on the A380, such as "Is there a market for a plane this big?" and "Will enough airports accomodate it?" and so on, THESE ARE THE EXACT SAME QUESTIONS POSED TO BOEING WHEN THEY FIRST BUILT THE 747! And look how marvelously they proved the doubters wrong. Their competitors at the time, Lockheed and MD, built trijets saying there wasn't a market for the 747. Look who won!

Airbus is doing quite well with 150+ orders, and keeping the budget relatively under control... Remember the 747 nearly bankrupted Boeing, they essentially based their company on its success. And today, I think Airbus has silenced the doubters.
Lockheed and MD built trijets because the airlines ask both to do it. It had nothing to do with the 747. Unfortunately, the trijet market wasn't big enough for 2 manufacturers, so the airlines basically killed the trijet. The 747, safe in its monopoly, lived on.

And the reason why the 747 almost bankrupted Boeing is because Boeing never had government backing for the 747. Add in a downturn in the aerospace industry at the time, and Boeing's financials were bound to look bleak, even without the R&D expenditure of the 747. The 747 was just the straw that almost broke the camel's back,

As for A380, it has yet to silence its doubters. Well, it has silenced the idiots who said it'll never fly, but those people just don't trust engineers. You'll continue to hear people say A380 was a mistake until the A380 gets the 300 or so orders (can't be sure of the exact numbers due to the steep discounts AB and Boeing give to launch customers) needed to break even. But there's plenty of time for that, the A380, with its 150 orders, is already halfway there.
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Old April 28th, 2005, 09:35 PM   #490
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Man after all these years of waiting....it's finally flying!!!!!!!!!!
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Old April 28th, 2005, 10:55 PM   #491
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As for A380, it has yet to silence its doubters. Well, it has silenced the idiots who said it'll never fly, but those people just don't trust engineers. You'll continue to hear people say A380 was a mistake until the A380 gets the 300 or so orders (can't be sure of the exact numbers due to the steep discounts AB and Boeing give to launch customers) needed to break even. But there's plenty of time for that, the A380, with its 150 orders, is already halfway there.
It's important to note that of the 150 orders that Airbus has for the A380, 45 or nearly a third of them came from one airline--Emirates. The second biggest airline order is Lufthansa, I believe, at 15. So basically, without Emirates you would only have about a third sold of the total needed to break even. I hope Airbus succeeds and sells 600 A380s, if not more, but building a plane this big and getting it to fly was the easier problem. Selling another 150, at least, is a bigger one.
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Old April 29th, 2005, 02:25 AM   #492
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Most of the companies that have ordered them also have also put in options to buy more. I can also see alot of other companies buying them in the next 5 years and I think British Airways could be one. Can anyone think of other companies which might put orders in for them.
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Old April 29th, 2005, 02:28 AM   #493
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Most of the companies that have ordered them also have also put in options to buy more. I can also see alot of other companies buying them in the next 5 years and I think British Airways could be one. Can anyone think of other companies which might put orders in for them.
True. And once Boeing is forced to drop this rediculous 747 Advanced idea, BA, Cathay, JAL, ANA... they'll all start buying the A380. I doubt they'd go out and buy 43 like Emirates, but they'll at least buy a few and start modernizing their aging 747-400 fleets with a smaller pack of A380s.

But again... don't expect orders of 15+ from these companies either. I think they'll slowly ween off the 747, not replace them all at once. The 747 was designed to be easily converted to cargo aircraft, so I expect a great deal of the passenger versions in service today to become cargo workhorses soon.
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Old April 29th, 2005, 03:33 AM   #495
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Does anybody know how many 747s (passenger version) are in service now? Just imagine these jets would be replaced by the A380 within the next ten years!
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Old April 29th, 2005, 03:57 AM   #496
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^ According to Airliners.net, there's been 1,356 built to-date, and that's every model. JAL is the largest operator of the 747 currently with 80+ in their fleet. I'm not sure about the total number in operation right now though...
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Old April 29th, 2005, 04:07 AM   #497
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Please do not miss checking out this photo of the A380. It captures the true enormity of this plane overhead at 1000 feet. The photo was taken by Sam Chui, who is one of the best aviation photographers in the business.

http://www.airliners.net/open.file?i...=826019&size=L
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Old April 29th, 2005, 04:18 AM   #498
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I know the A380 is bigger, but the 747 will always look...bigger...to me. I dont know why.

We'll probably never see one in Atlanta though
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Old April 29th, 2005, 04:54 AM   #499
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I've checked the current 747 fleet size of some Airlines (data taken from the airline websites):

Lufthansa: 30
British Airways: 57
Air France: 23
Quantas: 36
Singapore Airlines: 29 (6 of them not in operation)
Iberia: 5
Thai Airways: 20
Air New Zealand: 8
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total: 208 (202)

Just imagine all these aircraft replaced by the A380.
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^ I'd just like to point out just how disturbing that banana icon is in your profile.
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