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Old June 12th, 2013, 03:27 PM   #5101
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MH is doing well with its A380 routes. It seems that people are still drawn to the big whale. Look at Emirates.
Well... IF, they're filling the A380s at all, and filling the A380 at the right prices. I live in Singapore, and for ALL of the A380 destinations, we're being quoted fares of Economy and Business at nearly half the prices of the average. I can fly to Paris on Malaysia Airlines' Business Class for the same fare as a Singapore Airlines' Economy Class one. That's great news for passengers, but it's not looking well for the airline.
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EK will start A380 service to LAX starting Monday, December 2nd on the215/216 DXB LAX DXB flights.
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Old June 12th, 2013, 05:26 PM   #5103
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http://gulfnews.com/business/aviatio...eles-1.1196346

Also just read this article in Gulfnews regarding EKS LAX SJ launch.
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EK will start A380 service to LAX starting Monday, December 2nd on the215/216 DXB LAX DXB flights.
That is great news! Its a long time coming.
Maybe MA feels pressure by Singapore airlines because they have a larger A380 route system than MA and they are just to the south of KUL. Anyway that is good news for Airbus and MA if it does come true. Maybe they will announce it at the Paris air show.
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Old June 12th, 2013, 10:58 PM   #5105
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MH is doing well with its A380 routes. It seems that people are still drawn to the big whale. Look at Emirates.
Malaysia does two long haul routes ( CDG, LHR) and one short haul route ( HKG )so the airplane isn't sitting on the ground losing them money.
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Old June 13th, 2013, 01:01 AM   #5106
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That is great news! Its a long time coming.
Maybe MA feels pressure by Singapore airlines because they have a larger A380 route system than MA and they are just to the south of KUL. Anyway that is good news for Airbus and MA if it does come true. Maybe they will announce it at the Paris air show.
I have a bone to pick with you. Which carrier is MA? I'm guessing your referring to Malaysia Airlines which code is MH not MA.
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Old June 13th, 2013, 01:03 AM   #5107
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I have a bone to pick with you. Which carrier is MA? I'm guessing your referring to Malaysia Airlines which code is MH not MA.
MA was the airline code for the now-defunct Malev Hungarian Airlines. Let me get the schedule of EK's A380 to LAX...
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Old June 13th, 2013, 02:14 AM   #5108
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I have a bone to pick with you. Which carrier is MA? I'm guessing your referring to Malaysia Airlines which code is MH not MA.
My bad. I was typing this on the go. I realized that after I posted and I had no time to fix. I was referring to Malaysia Airlines.
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Here we go: Emirates will launch A380 service between Dubai and Los Angeles from 2 December 2013. The aircraft type to be used is known internally as 38L, which carries 489 passengers, and it will replace the current B777-300ER aircraft used on the route. Schedule:

EK215 DXB0820 – 1250LAX 38L D
EK216 LAX1600 – 1950+1DXB 38L D

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Old June 13th, 2013, 07:31 AM   #5110
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Here's a question: does Singapore Airlines now have enough A380-800's they could switch the SQ 001/SQ 002 route (between Singapore and San Francisco via Hong Kong) to the A380 permanently? They were flying the A380-800 on the route over last winter but have now switched back to the 777-300ER.
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Old June 13th, 2013, 08:08 AM   #5111
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Here's a question: does Singapore Airlines now have enough A380-800's they could switch the SQ 001/SQ 002 route (between Singapore and San Francisco via Hong Kong) to the A380 permanently? They were flying the A380-800 on the route over last winter but have now switched back to the 777-300ER.
Me and some local aviation enthusiast friends think that's the official reason, and there's some truth to it, with Osaka and Tokyo going A380s to cater to the annual flood of Japanese students on school trips to Singapore.

However, we think that in the summer, San Francisco-Hong Kong takes significant payload restrictions which is why Cathay Pacific didn't order the A380 in the first place.
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Old June 15th, 2013, 03:51 PM   #5112
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However, we think that in the summer, San Francisco-Hong Kong takes significant payload restrictions which is why Cathay Pacific didn't order the A380 in the first place.
Actually, when Singapore Airlines was flying the 747-400 on the SQ001/002 route, they had to occasionally do fuel stops in Okinawa or sometimes mainland Japan due go strong winter headwinds. That restriction went away with the 777-300ER, which has a 7,900 nm (still air) range and gives the airline more "buffer" to make it to Hong Kong from San Francisco during the Northern Hemisphere winter.

Because the A380-800 has an 8,000 nm (still air) range, Singapore Airlines could fly non-stop year round between San Francisco and Hong Kong with just about no pax/cargo restrictions. I do expect within the next year Singapore Airlines to permanently switch over to the A380 on the SQ001/002 route.
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Old June 15th, 2013, 06:07 PM   #5113
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Qatar's A380s to have 517 seats. The breakdown is
-8 First class seats located at the front of the lower deck
-52 Business class seats on the upper deck
-457 Economy class seats on the lower and upper decks
http://www.aircraftinteriorsinternat...p?NewsID=49844
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EK will also start A380 service to IAH Feb 1, 2014 and SFO March 14, 2014.
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Qatar's A380s to have 517 seats. The breakdown is
-8 First class seats located at the front of the lower deck
-52 Business class seats on the upper deck
-457 Economy class seats on the lower and upper decks
http://www.aircraftinteriorsinternat...p?NewsID=49844
That's a very interesting combination... sounds like it has replicated CZ's A380 seating chart model. Typically, the upper deck will all be F and C classes, while the lower deck holds all Y, if not mostly Y, seats. Hopefully, though, Y seats on the upper deck could be made into W (premium economy) seats for those who want more views (and space!)

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EK will also start A380 service to IAH Feb 1, 2014 and SFO March 14, 2014.
That's very interesting indeed. Do you have any source for that service upgrade since I might want to see EK's A380 in SFO when I get a chance?

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Actually, when Singapore Airlines was flying the 747-400 on the SQ001/002 route, they had to occasionally do fuel stops in Okinawa or sometimes mainland Japan due go strong winter headwinds. That restriction went away with the 777-300ER, which has a 7,900 nm (still air) range and gives the airline more "buffer" to make it to Hong Kong from San Francisco during the Northern Hemisphere winter.

Because the A380-800 has an 8,000 nm (still air) range, Singapore Airlines could fly non-stop year round between San Francisco and Hong Kong with just about no pax/cargo restrictions. I do expect within the next year Singapore Airlines to permanently switch over to the A380 on the SQ001/002 route.
That's intriguing... a B747-400 stopping over in Okinawa or Japan just to refuel and deal with the strong headwinds in December? When was that, by the way? And I think that SQ could upgrade the SIN-HKG-SFO route with an A380, provided that it will need to reconsider its existing SIN-HKG flight that does a daily A380 already in the afternoon because it will mean a huge boost in capacity for the SIN-HKG service...

SQ856 SIN0930 - 1310HKG D 380
SQ861 HKG1520 - 1850SIN D 380

If that's the case, then a morning A380 from HKG to SIN and a late afternoon flight from SIN to HKG (enroute to and from SFO) would be perfect to complement the above flights.

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Here's a question: does Singapore Airlines now have enough A380-800's they could switch the SQ 001/SQ 002 route (between Singapore and San Francisco via Hong Kong) to the A380 permanently? They were flying the A380-800 on the route over last winter but have now switched back to the 777-300ER.
In truth, I don't know since even though it has a lot of A380s, remember that SQ also does SFO-ICN-SIN in the afternoon as well that complements the SFO-HKG-SIN flight leaving red-eye. It's great that SQ does double-daily SFO-SIN service because it means that the Bay Area holds a valuable market for Singapore, and if SIN-HKG-SFO becomes an A380 route permanently, it'll mean that SQ will become one of a few year-round carriers operating the A380 to SFO. I don't know, though, if LH does FRA-SFO on an A380 all-year since I recall it operates B744s too during the winter...
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Old June 16th, 2013, 10:48 PM   #5116
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Bloomberg reports that Airbus wins an order for 10 A380s from the German leasing company Doric Asset.

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Airbus Said to Win A380 Order Over $4B From Doric Asset

Airbus SAS is set to win an order for more than 10 A380 double-decker airliners from leasing company Doric Asset Finance Ltd., people familiar with the transaction said.

Doric is scheduled to announce the order tomorrow morning at the Paris Air Show, said one of the people, who asked not to be identified because the negotiations are private.

Doric has financed A380s for Emirates, the biggest operator of the jet, and for Singapore Airlines Ltd (SIA).
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http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-0...rom-doric.html

It might be part of the expected top up order for Emirates.
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I don't know, though, if LH does FRA-SFO on an A380 all-year since I recall it operates B744s too during the winter...
I believe that a number of 747-400's in Lufthansa's fleet were overhauled just a few years ago, so they could continue in operation with the airline for quite some time. As such, Lufthansa could run an A380-800 summer and 747-400 winter operation on the FRA-SFO route for the the foreseeable future until Lufthansa decides to retire the 747's just before 2020.
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Bloomberg reports that Airbus wins an order for 10 A380s from the German leasing company Doric Asset.


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It might be part of the expected top up order for Emirates.
They've just signed a MoU for "up to 20" A380. Not a firm order yet, but maybe it will be firmed in a few months.
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Apparently, 5 of these A380 are for Singapore Airlines, which converted some options into firm orders. If this MoU is converted into firm order, only 15 new airframes will be effectively ordered (20 - the 5 for Singapore Airlines which were already registered as "official orders").

And as long as the MoU is not converted, we basically don't have any new order for the A380 (and a MoU is virtually nothing. Remember what happened with Vietnam Airlines).

Another point: apparently, Airbus is again reducing the number of A380 delivered this year. Only 21 frames should be delivered compared to 30 last year (!!!!!). OK, they have problems with wings but it's a bad advertisement for them. At least the first flight of the A350 was more or less on schedule.

Consequently, instead of 44 airframes at the end or the year, Emirates will only have 38 (Source: Air & Cosmos, June 2013, p.3).

So I guess we can expect further delays in the production.

The official order number for the A380 is 262. The real number is:
262 - 2 (Air Austral) - 1 (Private customer) - 5 (Kingfisher) and probably - 6 (Virgin) - 10 (Honk Kong Airlines) = 238 (absolutely sure).

If we add the 15 order from today: Total order could be 253. So even if this order is confirmed (which is far from certain), we would still have less orders than the current official number which is absolutely wrong.

A380 is definitely a financial disaster
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A380 is definitely a financial disaster
And why is that? 250 orders for such a large aircraft are sufficient for 6 to 8 years of current scale production.

I would call a financial disaster the Boeing 747-8I, with only 40 orders and Lufthansa recently announcing that it will phase out the type around 2020, after less than 10 years of operation!
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