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Old July 14th, 2013, 07:18 PM   #5201
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Old July 14th, 2013, 08:47 PM   #5202
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Old July 14th, 2013, 09:00 PM   #5203
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I believe the B787 will take care of the A346/B744 retirement.

No more '4 engines 4 longhaul' slogans at VS!
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Virgin Atlantic will need the A380 to be able to compete at LHR or they will loose to BA and all the other airlines that VA competes with and also flies the A380. Delta wont order the A380. That would be cool but they will probably order more 777s.
Sure, VS may still have its A380 orders, but, it looks like the deliveries of that aircraft to Britain's second largest carrier may take a bit longer... I mean, if VS finally gets the A380, what do you think will be its configuration like?

As for US carriers operating the A380, chances of that happening may be slim as Boeing takes so much of the US carriers' demands and needs, especially with bulk orders. But, I wouldn't be surprised if at least one US airline will operate this VLA... I just wonder though how that airline will arrange its seat configuration.
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Old July 15th, 2013, 12:18 AM   #5204
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I believe the B787 will take care of the A346/B744 retirement.

No more '4 engines 4 longhaul' slogans at VS!
Except that first payments for the A380 have been made already. They could walk away from the order but will lose the payments, that's why they keep postponing instead of canceling. An alternative option is switching the order for another aircraft type, like the A350 for example.
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Old July 15th, 2013, 12:45 AM   #5205
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Except that first payments for the A380 have been made already. They could walk away from the order but will lose the payments, that's why they keep postponing instead of canceling. An alternative option is switching the order for another aircraft type, like the A350 for example.
That's what I believe would happen. They've postponed their order to many times and BA already taken delivery of the 1st 12+ on order. I believe VS will switch to the A350.
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Old July 15th, 2013, 12:53 AM   #5206
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Air France will operate a A380 between Paris and Abidjan (ivory coast) by 2014.
Works are made at Abidjan felix houphouet boigny airport to welcome the A380!

They will down weekly route from 10flights to 7 because A 380 has the capacity of two A340 then they reduce the number of flights whereas they keep the same number of passengers on that route.
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Old July 15th, 2013, 01:29 AM   #5207
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Air France will operate a A380 between Paris and Abidjan (ivory coast) by 2014.
Works are made at Abidjan felix houphouet boigny airport to welcome the A380!

They will down weekly route from 10flights to 7 because A 380 has the capacity of two A340 then they reduce the number of flights whereas they keep the same number of passengers on that route.
Huh, very interesting development. I thought Dakar would also be a good candidate for the A380 as well, given the airline's long-standing service between France and Senegal. Where did you get this news from?

If that's the case, the A380 will enter regular passenger service to western Africa for the first time (although Lagos could be a good choice too for AF to operate the superjumbo...)
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Old July 15th, 2013, 12:41 PM   #5208
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Here is more information on the Abidjan A380 service, starting from September 2014. The article is in French but you can easily translate it with Google Translate:

http://economie.jeuneafrique.com/reg...er-l-a380.html
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Old July 15th, 2013, 03:32 PM   #5209
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Virgin Atlantic A380-800 order

I highly doubt if Virgin Atlantic will ever receive the A380s because firstly, they have delayed them several times and more importantly there are few routes (A.Net suggested LHR-SFO/LAX) that VS could use the planes without dammaging yields.

However the LHR-based 747-400 and A340-600 fleets need replacing, perhaps they should swapp the a380 order with 20 X A350-1000 to replace the LHR 747-400/A340-600 fleets?
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Old July 15th, 2013, 04:49 PM   #5210
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February 1st of next year EK will upgrade their BCN-DXB route to an A380 from an 777W.
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February 1st of next year EK will upgrade their BCN-DXB route to an A380 from an 777W.


I am getting this flight on 15 Feb. from HKT!!!
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Old July 16th, 2013, 01:41 AM   #5212
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Not sure if it has been reported elsewhere on SSC, but this Saturday at RIAT Fairford a BA A380 will do a formation fly past with the Red Arrows. A good photo opportunity. N.B. on Sunday it will be an A400M.
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Old July 16th, 2013, 02:31 AM   #5213
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I highly doubt if Virgin Atlantic will ever receive the A380s because firstly, they have delayed them several times and more importantly there are few routes (A.Net suggested LHR-SFO/LAX) that VS could use the planes without dammaging yields.

However the LHR-based 747-400 and A340-600 fleets need replacing, perhaps they should swapp the a380 order with 20 X A350-1000 to replace the LHR 747-400/A340-600 fleets?
If VS can figure out a way to sell the A380 production slots to somebody else with Airbus' blessing, I wouldn't be surprised that VS ends up buying 20 to 25 A350XWB-1000's to replace the aging 747-400 and A340-600 fleet in one fell swoop.
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I don't think it's up to VS to sell the production slots - Airbus can either move everybody up the line or allow new or existing customers to take up delivery. But it doesn't constitute VS having canceled the order. They'll either forfeit the deposits or transfer them for other Airbus aircraft. I'm not sure if ordering the A350 is a move they'd want to take because the Boeing 787 family can adequately replace all their needs. The B747 and A340-600 don't really need one-to-one capacity replacements.

I feel VS refusing to take delivery or cancel altogether is more due to pride than anything, really.
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Old July 16th, 2013, 10:37 AM   #5215
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The B747 and A340-600 don't really need one-to-one capacity replacements.
Maybe not but going from 455 seats in the 744 to 290 seats in the 789 is a big reduce in capacity.
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If VS can figure out a way to sell the A380 production slots to somebody else with Airbus' blessing, I wouldn't be surprised that VS ends up buying 20 to 25 A350XWB-1000's to replace the aging 747-400 and A340-600 fleet in one fell swoop.
Would it include the LGW 747-400 Lesure fleet or just the 747-400/A340-600 LHR fleet?

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I don't think it's up to VS to sell the production slots - Airbus can either move everybody up the line or allow new or existing customers to take up delivery. But it doesn't constitute VS having canceled the order. They'll either forfeit the deposits or transfer them for other Airbus aircraft. I'm not sure if ordering the A350 is a move they'd want to take because the Boeing 787 family can adequately replace all their needs. The B747 and A340-600 don't really need one-to-one capacity replacements.


I feel VS refusing to take delivery or cancel altogether is more due to pride than anything, really.
There is still a need for a aircraft bigger than a 787-9, hence why they are keeping the 747-400s and A340-600s that remain for now. the question is what will replace them.

Does the 787-10 have enough range for the kind of flights Virgin uses the 747-400/A340-600 on?
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Old July 19th, 2013, 11:15 AM   #5218
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Virgin has commented in the media on our recent discussion.

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Virgin Atlantic Pushes Back Airbus A380 as Plan Uncertain

Virgin Atlantic Airways Ltd. has delayed taking delivery of six A380 superjumbos ordered from Airbus SAS (EAD) more than a decade ago as the U.K. carrier evaluates whether it still requires the world’s largest jetliner.

Virgin Atlantic, which placed a contract for the double-deckers in 2000, has “deferred them yet again,” with the first delivery now due in 2018 rather than 2017, Chief Executive Officer Craig Kreeger said in London.

“It’s hard but not impossible to see a world where we want to take the aircraft,” Kreeger said in response to questions at the Royal Aeronautical Society. “It’s not a clear choice.”
Full article by Bloomberg:
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-0...oeing-787.html


They have again deffered the 1st delivery, now by 1 year until 2018, 18 years after placing the order. They also make it clear that they are still deliberating on taking delivery at all, saying that "it's hard to see that they will" does say that they are currently leaning more towards a cancelation.

There's no mention on a change of the order to the A350. They are first giving all their attention to the delivery of their 787-9s that are due next year.
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