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Old October 23rd, 2013, 09:58 AM   #5561
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I am sure its Singapore and then Qantas and then I think Lufthansa?
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Old October 23rd, 2013, 01:54 PM   #5562
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If Emirates has the largest number of A380 on their fleet, which airline is the second?
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Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...and_deliveries
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Old October 23rd, 2013, 02:41 PM   #5563
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Old October 24th, 2013, 01:54 PM   #5564
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Old October 24th, 2013, 05:58 PM   #5565
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Is that true that most airlines uses the top deck of Airbus A380 for all first class configuration?
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Old October 24th, 2013, 08:11 PM   #5566
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No, none of the current airlines that operate the A380 has First only on the top deck. Most of the airlines even have the first class only on the main deck.

Top Deck layouts in classes:
Air France: Economy, Premium Economy, Business (First class is on the main deck)
British Airways: World Traveler, World Traveler Plus, Club World (First class is on the main deck)
China Southern: Economy, Business (First class is on the main deck)
Emirates: Business, First
Korean: Business (First class is on the main deck)
Lufthansa: Business, First
Malaysia: Economy, Business (First class is on the main deck)
Qantas: Economy, Premium Economy, Business (First class is on the main deck)
Singapore: Economy, Business or Business only (First class is on the main deck)
Thai: Economy, Business, First
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Old October 25th, 2013, 04:48 AM   #5567
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Momo 1435, you are one of the wisest forumers....
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Old October 25th, 2013, 05:20 AM   #5568
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Does anybody here know why BA´s A380s are delivered from Toulouse and not from Hamburg like all other A380s for European customers???

So...? Any ideas?
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Old October 25th, 2013, 09:44 AM   #5569
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Kingfisher bankrupt
Virgin Atlantic aint going to happen
Air Austral bankrupt
Aerolineas Argentinas ain't going to happen
Can't make out the carrier on the bottom left? Iberian?
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Old October 25th, 2013, 10:12 AM   #5570
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That's the logo from International Lease Finance Corporation,ILFC. They cancelled their order back in 2011. The Aerolineas Argentinas was never firmed up.

On the other hand, it doesn't have the Hong Kong Airlines tail (even though that order is now already doubtfull) and the Transaero tail.

All in all it's indeed a bit of an outdated picture.
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Old October 25th, 2013, 10:14 AM   #5571
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Kingfisher bankrupt
Virgin Atlantic aint going to happen
Air Austral bankrupt
Aerolineas Argentinas ain't going to happen
Can't make out the carrier on the bottom left? Iberian?
Are you sure if they're out of business? They're being chartered to provide hajj pilgrimage flight from Medan, Indonesia. And they're making history as the first airline to use Boeing 777-300ER for Hajj flight.
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Old October 25th, 2013, 12:19 PM   #5572
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So...? Any ideas?
I heard that it was because BA has direct lines to Toulouse and so it was easier for them to send engineers, pilots etc to the pink city than to Hamburg.
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Old October 25th, 2013, 04:30 PM   #5573
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That's the logo from International Lease Finance Corporation,ILFC. They cancelled their order back in 2011. The Aerolineas Argentinas was never firmed up.

On the other hand, it doesn't have the Hong Kong Airlines tail (even though that order is now already doubtfull) and the Transaero tail.

All in all it's indeed a bit of an outdated picture.
You can go on Airbus's website for up to date tail information.

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Are you sure if they're out of business? They're being chartered to provide hajj pilgrimage flight from Medan, Indonesia. And they're making history as the first airline to use Boeing 777-300ER for Hajj flight.
He means they are to bankrupt to operate the A380 let alone even hand over the money for the plane.
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Old October 25th, 2013, 09:27 PM   #5574
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I am not sure if the Air Austral order has been officially cancelled. If it is still 'on the books' it will be similar to Virgin's; delayed indefinitely!

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Old October 25th, 2013, 10:43 PM   #5575
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The Air Austral order is still on the order book, but that's probably not worth too much right now.

Airbus is known to be very late with cancelling orders when airlines cease to exist. Last month they still had some orders up for A320 from airlines that have ceased operations for years. I guess they only clean up their list every other year. So if Kingfisher, which is still an airline on paper actually ceases to exist the order might stay on the order for a couple of years onwards.
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Airbus is known to be very late with cancelling orders when airlines cease to exist. Last month they still had some orders up for A320 from airlines that have ceased operations for years. I guess they only clean up their list every other year. So if Kingfisher, which is still an airline on paper actually ceases to exist the order might stay on the order for a couple of years onwards.
It doesn't work that way. While not flying, Kingfisher still exists. Thus as long as their is a binding contract between the two companies, the order will not be removed. It's also not up to Airbus to remove them from the order book, either Kingfisher goes bankrupt or they cancel the order. Additionally airlines pay deposits so you can't just remove the order from the books. If Airbus would do this, Kingfisher could sue them.
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That's exactly what I said.

It's just that Airbus still had orders on the books from airlines that completely ceased to exist. There are no legal reasons why Airbus should not scrap them from the list. A 2nd look at the current list I still see 2 open order for Hamburg International Airlines who were declared bankrupt in 2010. Airbus does list Hamburg Airways, which was founded out of the "remains" of Hamburg International as an operator but it did not transfer the order to the new airline.

Another famous order was one for a single A310 for the former Iraqi government that was placed in 1999. Airbus only cancelled the order in 2008, 5 years after the regime of Saddam Hussein was ended by the American invasion.

Boeing has a more active approach to canceling orders, it probably has to do with different accounting rules between the US and the EU. For the order backlog of the A320 a couple of dead orders are no big issue, but with the A380 it's a different story. So I really hope that Airbus actually cancels the Kingfisher orders straight away when they do cease to exist.
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The Air Austral order is still on the order book, but that's probably not worth too much right now.

Airbus is known to be very late with cancelling orders when airlines cease to exist. Last month they still had some orders up for A320 from airlines that have ceased operations for years. I guess they only clean up their list every other year. So if Kingfisher, which is still an airline on paper actually ceases to exist the order might stay on the order for a couple of years onwards.
I wonder if the timing of clearing dead orders has some accounting implications.
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So BA A380 flights to HKG has begun.
Now on Monday China Southern will launch A380 service to SYD from CAN.

China Southern’s A380 comes to Sydney next week

http://www.ausbt.com.au/photos/view/...20a%20copy.jpg

China Southern will begin daily Airbus A380 flights between Sydney and its home base of Guangzhou next Monday, October 28, making this Sydney’s fourth superjumbo service alongside Qantas, Emirates and Singapore Airlines.

The A380 will take over the airline’s CZ325/326 service, which departs Sydney at 11.15am to reach Guangzhou at 5.30pm.

The 502-seat superjumbo will boost the airline’s capacity by 40 percent compared to the Airbus A330 which currently flies this route.

The addition of the A380 caps off a series of upgrades to China Southern’s other Australian destinations of Melbourne, Brisbane and Perth, all of which now use the airline’s latest Airbus A330s with lie-flat beds in business class (shown below) and personal video screens in all economy seats.


Travellers heading through to London on what China Southern calls its Canton Route – a Chinese spin on the Kangaroo Route – can make the second leg of their journey on a Boeing 787, with the option of a 72 hour visa-free stopover at Guangzhou.
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