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Old January 24th, 2014, 02:54 PM   #5941
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Old January 24th, 2014, 02:59 PM   #5942
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sticker of "Top Boeing 777" in a380
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Maybe it's just a watermark in the picture itself rather than on the sunscreen..
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Old January 24th, 2014, 07:14 PM   #5943
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Emirates set to add second A380 service to Moscow

Emirates Airline said on Wednesday it will serve its Moscow route with a double daily A380 service from August 1.

Last year, Emirates received 13 A380 aircraft which have been deployed to its network of 24 A380 destinations.
Emirates’ current A380 destinations are Amsterdam, Auckland, Bangkok, Beijing, Dubai, Hong Kong, Jeddah, Kuala Lumpur, London Heathrow, Los Angeles, Manchester, Mauritius, Melbourne, Moscow, Munich, New York JFK, Paris, Rome, Seoul, Singapore, Shanghai, Sydney, Toronto, and Brisbane.
Add Barcelona from Feb 1st.
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Old January 24th, 2014, 07:32 PM   #5944
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Speedbird HD has a pic of an Asiana 777 taxiing by and the caption says the A380 comes to LAX on 8/15/2014.
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Old January 25th, 2014, 04:27 AM   #5945
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how many airbus are they producing per year
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Old January 25th, 2014, 10:58 AM   #5946
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2011 - 25
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Old January 25th, 2014, 11:50 AM   #5947
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well not bad but they have lots of order going on why not increase the airport to around nearly to 40
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Old January 25th, 2014, 11:50 AM   #5948
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Old January 25th, 2014, 02:30 PM   #5949
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Old January 25th, 2014, 03:29 PM   #5950
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well not bad but they have lots of order going on why not increase the airport to around nearly to 40
Because they don't have enough orders. Last year Airbus was running around to existing customers because they had empty production slots for 2015. I don't know if they were able to fill those.
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Old January 25th, 2014, 03:31 PM   #5951
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Because they don't have enough orders. Last year Airbus was running around to existing customers because they had empty production slots for 2015. I don't know if they were able to fill those.
Any idea who picked up the QF slots? My wild guess BA considering the quick delivery of 3 frames from time of order to 1st delivery?
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Old January 25th, 2014, 10:16 PM   #5952
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We've also seen Qatar, Air France, Air Austral & Lufthansa deferring or even canceling deliveries. These has been compensated with other airlines taking deliveries earlier, but also by the lower production rate in 2013. The reason for the decrease from 30 in 2012 to 25 in 2013 were the wing crack issues that needed to be addressed. But this also gave Airbus the opportunity to compensate for deferred delivery slots.

This year we should see 4 new operators, Qatar, Etihad, Asiana & Skymark, it won't be a problem for Airbus to fill all 30 delivery slots. But for 2015, as mabadia71 already stated it will already become more difficult.

To clearly see the problem here we have to look at the delivery schedules for the next couple of years.


Possible breakdown of 2014 deliveries.
Air France: 1 (10/12)
Etihad: 1 (1/10)
Lufthansa: 2 (12/14)
Asiana: 2 (2/6)
Korean Air: 2 (10/10) complete
Skymark: 2 (2/6)
Qatar: 3 or 4 (4/10)
BA: 5 (8/12)
Emirates: 11 or 12 (56/140)

total: 30


An early 2015 breakdown gives us this:

BA: 1 (9/12)
Transaero: 1 (1/6)
Skymark: 1 (3/6)
Lufthansa: 2 (14/14) complete
Asiana: 2 (4/6)
Qatar: 1 or 2 (5/10)
Etihad: 3 (4/10)
Emirates: 14 (60/140)

total: 25

That would leave the following open firm orders after 2015
Air Austral: 2 (status unclear, will possibly be cancelled)
Air France: 2 (deliveries after 2015)
Asiana Airlines: 2
British Airways: 3 (deliveries in 2016)
Emirates: 80
Etihad Airways: 6
Hong Kong Airlines: 10 (deliveries could start in 2015, but status of the order is unclear)
Kingdom Holding Company: 1 (should have been delivered in 2013, it would probably have been a converted prototype)
Qantas: 8 (deliveries should restart in 2016, it could be later)
Qatar Airways: 5
Singapore Airlines: 5 (deliveries from 2017)
Skymark Airlines: 3
Transaero Airlines: 5
Virgin Atlantic: 6 (deferred until after 2018, could be cancelled)

total: 138
total -/- Emirates: 58
total -/- Emirates -/- uncertain orders*: 49
total -/- Emirates -/- uncertain orders -/- possibly uncertain orders**: 28

notes:
* uncertain orders are: Air Austral, Kingdom Holdings, Virgin Atlantic
** possibly uncertain orders: remaining Air France, Hong Kong Airlines, remaining Qantas


In the worst case scenario Airbus could end up with just 28 remaining orders (not taking any new orders into account) after 2014. I don't expect Emirates to take delivery of more then 15 A380s every year, that just leaves a rather small backlog for the 15+ other deliveries every single year.

That's not a solid basis to invest in a production increase, especially not a big one from 30 to 40. It would only be sustainable if Airbus would receive several new orders from several airlines in the next few years. The Doric order would be a good start, it's going to be interesting if they order the full 20 directly or if it will be part firm and part option. That will probably depend on how many of them they already have been placed. But after that it's going to be interesting to see what will happen. Qatar and Etihad could firm up some options, but after that Airbus really needs some new airlines on the A380 order book to keep the deliveries going at 30 per year into the 2020s.
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Old January 25th, 2014, 11:06 PM   #5953
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Building 40 A380s per year is not gonna happen although the FAL was designed for it.

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Possible breakdown of 2014 deliveries.
Emirates will take 13 A380s this year and Skymark only 1.

On January 13, 2014 Airbus have said to build 30 A380s per year for at least the next four years, meaning the production rate will not be decreased in the short term. The convoy schedule for 2014 also shows 30 deliveries to the FAL this year.

The Doric A380s will start delivering from 2016.

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Qatar and Etihad could firm up some options
Last month, Transaero said to be looking at more A380's and 747-8i's.

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but after that Airbus really needs some new airlines on the A380 order book to keep the deliveries going at 30 per year into the 2020s.
With a rate of 30 per year for the next four years, they have a little bit breathing space.

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Old January 26th, 2014, 12:10 AM   #5954
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If Airbus can't find customers for the open 2015 production slots they can always fill them with new frames for Emirates that can be temporarily stored for delivery in 2016. Even freeing up some production slots in 2016 for any new takers, like Doric if they have several customers. It's not an ideal solution, something that Airbus doesn't want to do on a regular basis every year. But it's a way to keep the production going until more orders come in or until the commercial decision to lower the production rate will have to be made.


And a small follow up order from Transaero is always welcome, but I can't see them taking delivery of 2 A380s on a yearly basis. What the program really needs are some major orders right now from several of the big national airlines, like Turkish or a major US carrier.
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If Airbus can't find customers for the open 2015 production slots they can always fill them with new frames for Emirates that can be temporarily stored for delivery in 2016. Even freeing up some production slots in 2016 for any new takers, like Doric if they have several customers. It's not an ideal solution, something that Airbus doesn't want to do on a regular basis every year. But it's a way to keep the production going until more orders come in or until the commercial decision to lower the production rate will have to be made. And a small follow up order from Transaero is always welcome, but I can't see them taking delivery of 2 A380s on a yearly basis. What the program really needs are some major orders right now from several of the big national airlines, like Turkish or a major US carrier.
When is production commencing on SQs A380 top up order? Wasn't the a top up of 5 x A380's?
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When is production commencing on SQs A380 top up order? Wasn't the a top up of 5 x A380's?
It's in my overview post, deliveries of their top-up order should start in 2017. That means that the production will likely start in 2016.
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That would leave the following open firm orders after 2015
Air Austral: 2 (status unclear, will possibly be cancelled)
Air France: 2 (deliveries after 2015)
Asiana Airlines: 2
British Airways: 3 (deliveries in 2016)
Emirates: 80
Etihad Airways: 6
Hong Kong Airlines: 10 (deliveries could start in 2015, but status of the order is unclear)
Kingdom Holding Company: 1 (should have been delivered in 2013, it would probably have been a converted prototype)
Qantas: 8 (deliveries should restart in 2016, it could be later)
Qatar Airways: 5
Singapore Airlines: 5 (deliveries from 2017)
Skymark Airlines: 3
Transaero Airlines: 5
Virgin Atlantic: 6 (deferred until after 2018, could be cancelled)
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It's in my overview post, deliveries of their top-up order should start in 2017. That means that the production will likely start in 2016.
Found it!
Btw, I doubt the QF orders will materialise in 2016
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Old January 26th, 2014, 11:40 PM   #5960
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Found it!
Btw, I doubt the QF orders will materialise in 2016
what's QF? Qantas?
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