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Old February 4th, 2014, 07:21 AM   #6001
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Old February 5th, 2014, 03:22 AM   #6002
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The CAN-SYD-CAN A380 service was seasonal / promotional. I believe CZ would like to operate the A380 to CDG, however due to political reasons Chinese carriers can't compete with each-other.
In CZ case the other carrier would be CA.
I am not very smart in this section and I have no idea but isn't that CZ have a better nearly everything then CA. Is it because of CA's location is in Beijing and Beijing is more popular than Guangzhou and that's why it can't fly to many places outside of their own country? It is very funny to see some of these weird and different rules in China even though I am from there.
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Old February 5th, 2014, 08:00 AM   #6003
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I am not very smart in this section and I have no idea but isn't that CZ have a better nearly everything then CA. Is it because of CA's location is in Beijing and Beijing is more popular than Guangzhou and that's why it can't fly to many places outside of their own country? It is very funny to see some of these weird and different rules in China even though I am from there.
It's because Air China is the biggest airline. Which means the Chinese government gives preference to what they want over what other airlines want.
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Old February 5th, 2014, 02:03 PM   #6004
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Is this OZ's first or second A380?
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Old February 5th, 2014, 03:00 PM   #6005
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It's because Air China is the biggest airline. Which means the Chinese government gives preference to what they want over what other airlines want.

Actually Air China is the third largest Chinese airline. China Southern and China Eastern are larger both when it comes to the number of carried passengers and their fleet sizes. However, Air China is the official flag carrier which explains the preference of the Chinese government.
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Old February 5th, 2014, 10:55 PM   #6006
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Actually Air China is the third largest Chinese airline. China Southern and China Eastern are larger both when it comes to the number of carried passengers and their fleet sizes. However, Air China is the official flag carrier which explains the preference of the Chinese government.
Can someone give me one good reason that China should favor one airline than another and make this crappy rule which it seems to have devastated another airline. Personally, I know how china works, it all about relationships. You got the right relationship, you are good. BUt it just seems unfair to make a rule that lessens competition. Doesn't airline want competition?
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Old February 6th, 2014, 03:35 PM   #6007
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Old February 6th, 2014, 04:47 PM   #6008
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Can someone give me one good reason that China should favor one airline than another and make this crappy rule which it seems to have devastated another airline. Personally, I know how china works, it all about relationships. You got the right relationship, you are good. BUt it just seems unfair to make a rule that lessens competition. Doesn't airline want competition?
The airline wants competition, but the government still want to pull the strings.

In this case it's a good example of how the state involvement in the Chinese economy doesn't work. First the state approves the order of the A380s that China Southern placed through the state owned China Aviation Supplies Import and Export Group Corporation (CASC Group), but then doesn't give China Southern the complete freedom to use on the routes were it could be used best.

I wonder if China Southern would have ordered the A380 if they would have known beforehand that there would be this kind of restrictions. I guess that's the unpredictability that automatically comes with the type of political system in China. That's where the good relations that you mention come into play, and that's also the moment when logical reasoning stops.
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Old February 7th, 2014, 09:46 PM   #6009
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Old February 8th, 2014, 04:37 AM   #6010
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The 100th A380 is for Malaysia Airlines.
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Old February 8th, 2014, 09:16 AM   #6011
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Will Airbus introduce new winglet design (something like sharklet at A320) to the Airbus A380?
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Old February 8th, 2014, 07:48 PM   #6014
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Will Airbus introduce new winglet design (something like sharklet at A320) to the Airbus A380?
At the moment they are examining various ways to improve the A380. The issue with winglets is that the wings are only a few CM short of the 80 metre limit. There might not be room for winglets.
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Old February 9th, 2014, 12:43 AM   #6015
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The airline wants competition, but the government still want to pull the strings.

In this case it's a good example of how the state involvement in the Chinese economy doesn't work. First the state approves the order of the A380s that China Southern placed through the state owned China Aviation Supplies Import and Export Group Corporation (CASC Group), but then doesn't give China Southern the complete freedom to use on the routes were it could be used best.

I wonder if China Southern would have ordered the A380 if they would have known beforehand that there would be this kind of restrictions. I guess that's the unpredictability that automatically comes with the type of political system in China. That's where the good relations that you mention come into play, and that's also the moment when logical reasoning stops.
Could China Southern possibly give or lets say rent their A380s to Air China? I have heard also that they are trying to cooperate with Air China, but then they are acting like selfish cats and not giving them any opportunity.
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Old February 11th, 2014, 06:38 AM   #6016
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Old February 12th, 2014, 01:51 AM   #6018
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For those who cant see the pictures above Airliners.net has a picture of the first A380 for Skymark rolling out of FAL in Toulouse with no engines. In the back ground you can see another Emirates A380.
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Old February 12th, 2014, 02:22 AM   #6019
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Untitled Skymark Airlines Airbus A380-841
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F-WWSL (cn 162) First A380 for Skymark Airlines
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Airbus announces Amedeo order for 20 A380s worth $8.3 bn

European plane maker Airbus on Wednesday announced 20 orders by Amedeo, formerly Doric Lease Corp, for its flagship A380 superjumbo worth $8.3 billion at list prices.

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