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Old June 9th, 2005, 01:51 AM   #641
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A380 runway length (answer)

I remember someone asked in the forum like two weeks ago about the max required runway length for A380. But i can't find it for some reasons. Anyway, I found this airport planning manual (previously not available for public for a while) http://www.airbus.com/store/mm_repos...le_AC_A380.pdf
page 69 to 79 show the data.
Considering the max take off weight for A380 and A380F are 560 tons and 590 tons respectively, i am not sure why the graph show up to 650 tons. Since most airport runways are in the altitude of 0 ft to 4000 ft. So the range of the required runway length would be roughly 2800m to 4000m for A380 and 3000m to 4300m for A380F.
Remember the length required for a plane to take off strongly depends on the speed of the head winds. Obviously, a higher head winds require shorter rolling length. I am not sure what the assumptions are in those graphs. So it may not answer your questions after all.
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Old June 9th, 2005, 05:24 AM   #642
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Giant A380 Airbus among 238 planes on display at Paris Air Show

LE BOURGET, France, June 9 (AFP) - Airbus' giant A380 passenger jet will be the main attraction of this year's Paris Air Show, which opens its gates June 13-19 on the outskirts of the French capital.

Over 300,000 visitors are expected at Le Bourget, the airport outside Paris that has since 1951 hosted the biennial show considered the world's top aeronautical event, organisers told a press conference on Wednesday.

This year's exhibition will feature 238 planes including several belonging to private collectors, said the event's general commissioner Louis Le Portz.

Sixty of the aircraft will make demonstration flights, he said.

A record number of 1,924 exhibitors will be displaying products at the show, which will be inaugurated by French President Jacques Chirac.

On-site facilities include a 30,000 square-metre lawn beside the runway, a 2,500-seat spectator tribune and several giant viewing screens.

The new Airbus is expected at Le Bourget on June 12, and is scheduled to make several demonstration flights. Boeing's rival 777-200 LR, latest in a line of acclaimed 777 Jumbo jets, will also be in attendance.

The exhibition is also expected to showcase the new generation of pilotless aircraft, including a life-size model of Dassault Aviation's new Neuron combat drone.

But Le Portz said the planes will not be flying for reasons of security.

The show is reserved to industry professionals during the first four days, but will be accessible to the public from June 17 to 19.

In 2003, the show had 202 planes and 1,728 exhibitors.
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Old June 15th, 2005, 11:11 PM   #643
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Air France To Equip A380s With Thales Entertainment Gear
15 June 2005

PARIS (Dow Jones)--Air France's fleet of Airbus (ABI.YY) super-jumbo A380s will be equipped with an in-flight entertainment system designed by French electronics firm Thales SA (12132.FR), the companies said Wednesday.

Thales' Top Series i5000 in-flight entertainment system will equip Air France's fleet of A380s, the companies said in a joint statement.

The i5000 in-flight entertainment system provides video on demand to seat-back display screens.

Air France, part of Air France-KLM SA (3112.FR), has ordered 10 of the 555-seat A380s, with an option for four more.

Company Web site: http://www.airfrance.com
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Old June 16th, 2005, 09:53 PM   #644
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When will we get to see the first A380 in an airline's own livery? (I think Singapore Airlines would be the first built.)
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Old June 16th, 2005, 10:15 PM   #645
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Well this was delivered at the start of March and its now mid June so I would expect it to near painting time or its getting fitted out or its sitting in a hanger waiting for testing.
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Old June 16th, 2005, 11:22 PM   #646
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^ Yeah I remember that pic. I was hoping we'd see the aircraft that tail attaches to soon...
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Old June 18th, 2005, 02:09 PM   #647
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In case any UK forumers are reading, there's a two-hour programme on the A380 on Channel 4 tonight:

DOCUMENTARY: World's Biggest Airliner
Channel: Channel 4 104
Date: Saturday 18th June 2005
Time: 19:05 to 21:05 (starting this evening)
Duration: 2 hours.
Building The Airbus A380.
In April the maiden flight of the Airbus A380 made aviation history. For 35 years the Boeing 747 had reigned supreme as the world's biggest airliner, but the A380 is 45% bigger. Its development took over 10 years and £6 billion. With exclusive access to the project since 2003, World's Biggest Airliner: Building the Airbus A380 tells the compelling story of the multi-billion-pound gamble to build the world's biggest airliner. Constructing a plane on this unprecedented scale poses huge challenges, particularly when constricted by tight deadlines and especially because Airbus's main production plants are spread across France, Spain, Germany and the UK. Each component is so big that new factories have to be built before work can begin on the plane. The gigantic wings are just one of the components that must make a huge and difficult journey to Airbus headquarters in Toulouse, from the factory in north Wales. The enormous fuselage travels from Hamburg. Each journey is a nightmare, by barge on unpredictable rivers, by sea, and finally by road, squeezing through the tiny village of Levignac with inches to spare before reaching the final assembly line. The programme provides an incredible insight into the unique challenges of building an airliner on this unprecedented scale, before its grand unveiling in front of thousands, and its awe-inspiring maiden voyage in the hands of Airbus's test pilots. Associate.
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Old June 19th, 2005, 09:09 AM   #648
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can anyone record it?
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Old June 20th, 2005, 12:33 AM   #649
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I watched most it last night. Its was very Interesting they seemed to have alot of problems and also alot of success. If you have The Discovery Channel or National Geographic am sure it will be on there again within afew weeks.
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Old June 20th, 2005, 11:11 PM   #650
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Aaaaaargh! The recording failed on my Sky+ box - the first time that's happened this year!
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Old June 21st, 2005, 07:44 AM   #651
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Airbus raises catalogue price of A380 by 10 million dollars

PARIS, June 20 (AFP) - The European aircraft manufacturer Airbus has raised the catalogue price of its future A380, the world's largest commercial airliner, by 10 million dollars to an average of 292 million dollars (241 million euros), a company source said Monday.

The average announced price in the Airbus 2004 catalogue was 282 million dollars, based on a range of 272 to 292 million dollars. The price range in 2005 is 282-302 million dollars, for an average price of 292 million dollars, or an increase of about 3.5 percent.

It added that the average price for the single-aisle A320, which has been a big success for Airbus, would increase from a range of 60-64 million dollars to 62-66 million.

The price of an A330-300 will go from 162-170 million dollars to 169-189 million.

At this year's Paris Air Show, which ended Sunday, Airbus reported 280 firm and non-binding orders worth 33.5 billion dollars.
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Well this was delivered at the start of March and its now mid June so I would expect it to near painting time or its getting fitted out or its sitting in a hanger waiting for testing.
i think the france people who works in the airbus-factory are lazy slobs....
to construct all the things together in 3,5 months.....
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Old June 21st, 2005, 05:40 PM   #653
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^I suppose and hope that was only kidding.
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Old June 21st, 2005, 08:12 PM   #654
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i think the france people who works in the airbus-factory are lazy slobs....
to construct all the things together in 3,5 months.....
It maybe being built in France but most of the people working on it are from the US and the UK.
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Old June 21st, 2005, 10:10 PM   #655
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http://familymiller.myadsl.nl/a380/
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Old June 22nd, 2005, 12:13 AM   #656
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BEAUTIFUL PICS! Thanks vincent.
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Old June 23rd, 2005, 12:40 AM   #657
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an aritcle about the aerodynamic development of A380
http://www.flightinternational.com/A...g+A+Titan.html
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Old June 23rd, 2005, 04:47 AM   #658
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The Middle Seat: In Airbus's Super-Size A380 Jet, Fliers Sure to Face Lines, Crowds
By Scott McCartney
22 June 2005
The Asian Wall Street Journal

SOME PLANES ARE better loved by airline accountants than by frequent fliers. The Airbus A380 jumbo jet may be one of those airplanes.

From the outside, the 555-passenger jet looks very much like a Boeing 747 on steroids, or at least one that has been biggie-sized by a fast-food chain. Inside, the belle of last week's Paris Air Show has two cavernous cabins that remind you this is a very conventional flying bus. It is simply one jumbo jet atop another.

Above its blunt nose is a high forehead -- the beginning of the upper deck that extends to the tail. The wings of the world's largest passenger plane look broad enough to host basketball games, and the four giant engines are even disproportionately huge for the plane because of thick cowlings to suppress noise.

There is nothing graceful or sleek about it, but credit Airbus and engine makers with getting the flying whale off the ground. It has been a long time in development, and it undoubtedly will bring affordable travel to more people. Lots more people. That is why business travelers, perhaps, should be as excited about the $292 million plane as airlines, which see low per-seat operating costs as a key to flying crowds of cheap-ticket travelers. A lot will depend on what airlines do with all the open real estate in the A380. Historically, airlines start with grand schemes and then replace pianos with more seats.

So despite the hubbub about onboard casinos, Jacuzzis and private double beds, what travelers most likely will find is a lot of seats in coach and more reasons to upgrade in order to avoid the masses. The first one out the door beats 554 others to customs.

Airbus took reporters aboard its first A380, which is currently being used for flight-testing. Even with exposed insulation, bundles of wiring running through exposed black composite floor beams and ballast tanks bolted to the floor, you could envision what's ahead for travelers.

To me, it looked like long lines.

At the front, the A380 has a staircase wide enough for two people to climb side-by-side with carry-on bags, and a small spiral staircase in the rear of the airplane. Boarding is envisioned from two-story airport terminals, or at least multiple jet bridges serving both top and bottom decks. You can see why that is essential -- it will take a long time to load an A380 if people have to lug themselves and their rollerboards up 15 stairs on the airplane.

The lower deck has walls that essentially go straight up. Actually, they are even better than that because they bow out at the center of the oval tube. The cabin feels tall and open, and that is a terrific improvement over many previous plane designs.

Airbus says typical coach seating on the lower deck will be 10-across -- the same as on a Boeing 747. The lower deck is very much like a 747, although the cabin is about half a meter wider than a 747 at its widest point, and Airbus says airlines may be able to offer wider coach seats. That seems iffy because the widest point is at window-level, and the floor where seats will be bolted is narrower.

Windows give you the illusion they are bigger than they really are. The plastic interior covering is large, but it telescopes down through the airplane's thick sidewalls to a standard-sized exterior airplane window. (Note to future travelers: Some window seats over the wing may not be so desirable because all you'll ever see is wing.)

On the upper deck, coach seating will be eight-across -- the same as a wide-body Airbus A340. Upper-deck seats won't be able to reach the sidewall of the plane because the top does curve in considerably. Most likely, window-seat travelers will find an extra storage bin at the sidewall -- that is what airlines did with the same problem on the upper deck of the 747. Some airlines may also decide to use the upper deck exclusively for business-class and first-class.

It is hard to see airlines putting staterooms or health clubs on the lowest cargo deck. Passenger space grew a lot more than cargo space since you've got two jumbo passenger planes atop one cargo deck, an Airbus official says. Add in all the fuel that the plane needs to carry, and luggage space, ironically, may actually be a tight squeeze. It's a bit like those seven-passenger minivans with not much space under the tailgate.

Airbus says the A380 is a hub-to-hub kind of airplane, where long, heavily traveled routes linking airports with limited capacity will see an advantage to a modern plane bigger than a 416-passenger 747. Singapore Airlines will get the first and will put it into service near the end of 2006 or early 2007.

In an all-coach setup, the behemoth can carry 800 people. During the air show, a colleague of mine talked to an Indian airline official whose face lit up at the thought of an 800-passenger plane. If that's the revolution this plane brings, air travel will undoubtedly reach new lows.

If airlines depart from convention, there is room aboard the A380 to improve the flying experience. But it is hard to see how this plane can truly revolutionize travel.
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Old June 23rd, 2005, 05:08 PM   #659
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^ Yeah I agree, it's a definite "wait and see" question as to whether airlines make the A380 their signature flagship or the largest flying sardine can.

With the 747, I think it was the double-whammy of deregulation and the artificial oil shortage that killed any chance of making it somewhat luxurious.

I think if airlines try to cram in 700 seats on a long-haul flight with no amenities or breathing room, customers will stay away from A380s and request a smaller aircraft. I honestly think airlines don't have a choice but to make it luxurious.
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i doubt airlines would use more than 700 seat configuration. Considering the price for a single first class seat equal to the entire roll of economy class (that's 10 seats), and a business class seat equal around 7 economy class seat. Unless if you are talking about market that is poorer like India, maybe they have a higher percentage of economy seat setting, but again, i don't think it will get higher than 700.
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