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Old October 20th, 2014, 11:28 PM   #6881
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- While Air China and China Eastern may be more likely operators of the A380, Air China is staunchly loyal to Boeing that it has ordered the B747-8I and China Eastern ordered the B777-300ER that those may be unlikely to order the A380.
Over and above this, when CAAC (who still make all sourcing decisions in China) were deciding on VLA purchases for Air China et al, the Chinese government was in dispute with the EU over CO2 emissions and climate control. Hence, no A380 order.

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Old October 20th, 2014, 11:34 PM   #6882
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Old October 21st, 2014, 02:59 PM   #6883
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Old October 21st, 2014, 03:39 PM   #6884
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I don't know what it's called, but every aircraft has this flat underbelly area. Except the A300. Somehow they attached the wings straight into the fuselage.
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Old October 21st, 2014, 03:57 PM   #6885
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I don't know what it's called, but every aircraft has this flat underbelly area. Except the A300. Somehow they attached the wings straight into the fuselage.
The wing box?
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Old October 21st, 2014, 04:01 PM   #6886
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Old October 22nd, 2014, 04:33 AM   #6887
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Over and above this, when CAAC (who still make all sourcing decisions in China) were deciding on VLA purchases for Air China et al, the Chinese government was in dispute with the EU over CO2 emissions and climate control. Hence, no A380 order.

Here is one article:

http://uk.reuters.com/article/2012/0...85B09W20120612
Thanks.

Do you think there is any likelihood that India and/or Turkey would be the next golden goose for Airbus when it comes to the A380 as countries with a large (and growing) population, and a growing middle class that can afford to tour the world? Enough, that is, that Airbus could actually start to make a profit off the A380 program?
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Old October 22nd, 2014, 05:24 AM   #6888
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I don't think so.

Even considering the growing prosperity in China/India/etc, there is no real driver to having A380s instead of smaller 250-350 seat aircraft. It's not as if demand is outstripping supply, and there are relatively few airports in the world capable of handling the A380.
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Old October 24th, 2014, 12:09 PM   #6889
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Old October 25th, 2014, 09:22 AM   #6890
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Engine parts supplier questions case for Airbus A380 upgrade
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BERLIN/PARIS (Reuters) - The case for developing new engines for a sales-boosting upgrade to Airbus's A380 passenger jet has been called into question by a partner in one of the planemaker's engine suppliers.

A lean sales patch has increased pressure on Airbus <AIR.PA> to bow to the demands of its biggest customer - Dubai's Emirates airline - for new engines for the 525-seat A380, the world's largest airliner, to improve its efficiency after the recent launch of rival Boeing's <BA.N> 406-seat 777X.

"In principle, it's a challenging business case, whether it makes sense to develop an engine just for the A380, bearing in the mind the potential order book," Reiner Winkler, chief executive of MTU Aero Engines <MTXGn.DE>, told analysts.

"You've seen the volumes. That's a decision for Airbus and the OEMs (manufacturers). We don't see any risk for our existing order book," he said on a conference call on the German company's third-quarter earnings on Thursday.

MTU supplies an important set of parts for the GP7000 engines built for the A380 by Engine Alliance, a joint venture between General Electric <GE.N> and Pratt & Whitney <UTX.N>.

Engine Alliance competes with Rolls-Royce <RR.L> to supply engines for the A380 double-decker, four-engined jet.
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Old October 25th, 2014, 10:41 AM   #6891
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Given that there's no competitor, I don't see why Airbus would want to reengine. What'd Emirates do? Buy a 787 instead?
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Old October 25th, 2014, 12:22 PM   #6892
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Not buy more A380s? Airbus is already struggling to break even on the program cost, anything they can do to improve the bottom line is something they will consider. How many successful companies didn't listen to what their customers want?
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Old October 25th, 2014, 02:50 PM   #6893
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Old October 25th, 2014, 04:42 PM   #6894
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The A340 looks tiny!
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Old October 25th, 2014, 06:37 PM   #6895
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Is Etihad keeping its plane a secret or something..?? Cannot find any new photos about it..
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Old October 25th, 2014, 08:19 PM   #6896
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Not buy more A380s? Airbus is already struggling to break even on the program cost, anything they can do to improve the bottom line is something they will consider. How many successful companies didn't listen to what their customers want?
Considering the travails Boeing went through after it first introduced the 747 (didn't it nearly go bankrupt at one point?), Airbus isn't doing too badly with the A380.
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Old October 25th, 2014, 08:33 PM   #6897
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Considering the travails Boeing went through after it first introduced the 747 (didn't it nearly go bankrupt at one point?), Airbus isn't doing too badly with the A380.
Boeing had the double whammy of the 747 and 2707 programs developing simultaneously in the 60s. And the 2707 damn near killed Boeing on it's own, while the R&D costs associated with the 747 certainly did some damage at the time, it was a very consistent seller from three years prior to flying up into the early 2000s. It's kind of amazing to think of R&D costs almost sinking Boeing considering the 707, 727 and 737 were all selling quite well and it sure made McDonnell Douglas look smart for not getting dragged into the SST competition at the time (should have put together a real DC-8 successor though). I don't know if the relative development costs are all that different for Airbus on the a380, but weren't dumping billions of dollars into a cancelled program while developing the a380.
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Old October 25th, 2014, 08:59 PM   #6898
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Considering the travails Boeing went through after it first introduced the 747 (didn't it nearly go bankrupt at one point?), Airbus isn't doing too badly with the A380.
The 1st problem is: The a380 was conceived with old technology. The A380 is a fat is one fat whale that could shed some weight.

then the 2nd problem: The a380 isnt going to break even anytime soon. So Airbus investing in the a380 NEO version of the plane is going to happen. The NEO version of this plane and making it lighter would help its value and add more buying customers.

3rd problem: The A380 is limited route wise due to airport restrictions.

4th problem: Boeing is WAYYYYY ahead of the curve with the 787 and airlines dont want a 700 seats jumbo. They want fuel efficient planes with less capacity.
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Old October 25th, 2014, 09:19 PM   #6899
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However, there will always be a market for the A380 where slot-restricted airports require larger capacity to allow even more passengers to serve them without the need of adding more gates or expanding terminal space. The big challenge if one wants an A380 to operate to an airport on a daily basis: runway length.
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With Boeing B777-8X it will replace A340s B777-200 and -300s and competite with A350 XWB and With B777-9X it have no compatitor in it's class http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_777X
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