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Old January 20th, 2015, 08:16 PM   #7141
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Where is the A380 flying?

I find it interesting that there is A380 service to Houston, Dallas, and Atlanta, among other U.S. cities, but not Chicago. I understand Los Angeles, San Francisco, Miami, Washington, and New York, but I don't understand Houston, Dallas, and Atlanta without Chicago.

http://www.airbus.com/aircraftfamili...y/a380-routes/
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Old January 21st, 2015, 02:59 AM   #7142
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I hear it's because Chicago doesn't have the terminal and gate capacity to handle regular A380 services, only on emergencies.
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Old January 21st, 2015, 03:24 AM   #7143
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I hear it's because Chicago doesn't have the terminal and gate capacity to handle regular A380 services, only on emergencies.
Other U.S. airports were able to make the appropriate adjustments to berth the A380. I wonder what the story is with Chicago.
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Old January 21st, 2015, 04:16 AM   #7144
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I find it interesting that there is A380 service to Houston, Dallas, and Atlanta, among other U.S. cities, but not Chicago. I understand Los Angeles, San Francisco, Miami, Washington, and New York, but I don't understand Houston, Dallas, and Atlanta without Chicago.

http://www.airbus.com/aircraftfamili...y/a380-routes/

Maybe it's because the current gate layout at T5 (the main international terminal) needs to be adjusted to accommodate a Tri-door gate and let an A380 in. I know it already has an abundance of runways and large terminals to easily snug in an A380, but I think funding isn't there yet to rebuild a gate to allow the mega aircraft in.
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Old January 21st, 2015, 03:59 PM   #7145
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Maybe it's because the current gate layout at T5 (the main international terminal) needs to be adjusted to accommodate a Tri-door gate and let an A380 in. I know it already has an abundance of runways and large terminals to easily snug in an A380, but I think funding isn't there yet to rebuild a gate to allow the mega aircraft in.
Chicago now has the runway system and taxi way system to handle the A380. Under the Chicago modernization program they planned for the A380. The old runway/taxiway system was not safe and they would have to stop a lot of traffic just to get the A380 in without clipping any wings. They are either planning or have started work on making terminal five A380 capable.
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Old January 21st, 2015, 06:11 PM   #7146
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Thanks for this! I think here in Miami we are only two A380 capable thus far (Lufthansa and Air France), but I can't be sure.
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Old January 22nd, 2015, 01:19 PM   #7147
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Old January 22nd, 2015, 03:20 PM   #7148
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Big news!

Emirates Would Buy 100 A380neos, Agrees To Amadeo Sale-Leaseback Deals

Emirates Airline would buy 100 Airbus A380neos if Airbus decided to launch the aircraft, according to airline President Tim Clark.

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http://aviationweek.com/commercial-a...easeback-deals
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Old January 22nd, 2015, 04:26 PM   #7149
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It's no news, Tim Clark has said often enough last year that he will buy a X (large) number of A380s when Airbus launches a neo. It will be far more interesting to see if any other airlines will be as vocally interested in the A380neo as Emirates.


And the only real big news will be when Airbus actually launches the A380neo.

The influence of Emirates on the A380 program could mean that they will have to launch sooner then later, even when it's financially not the best decision. The 1st problem after launching the neo will be filling the open ceo delivery slots before the 1st A380neo will be delivered.
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Old January 22nd, 2015, 05:36 PM   #7150
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Emirates Would Buy 100 A380neos, Agrees To Amadeo Sale-Leaseback Deals

Emirates Airline would buy 100 Airbus A380neos if Airbus decided to launch the aircraft, according to airline President Tim Clark.

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http://aviationweek.com/commercial-a...easeback-deals
Holy Crap. Sounds like what they did with the 777X program. Airbus needs to get other airlines on board before they waste the money on just Emirates. Cant wait for the Dubai airshow this year to hear any possible developments.
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Old January 22nd, 2015, 10:27 PM   #7151
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Old January 23rd, 2015, 01:32 AM   #7152
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Thanks for this! I think here in Miami we are only two A380 capable thus far (Lufthansa and Air France), but I can't be sure.
When is British Airways planning on flying its A380s to Miami?
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Old January 23rd, 2015, 02:15 AM   #7153
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Emirates Airline would buy 100 Airbus A380neos if Airbus decided to launch the aircraft, according to airline President Tim Clark.

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http://aviationweek.com/commercial-a...easeback-deals
Thats not enough to justify the cost of building an a380 neo ....
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Old January 23rd, 2015, 03:51 AM   #7154
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At this rate maybe Dubai should simply buy a license to build its own A380s.
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Old January 23rd, 2015, 05:05 AM   #7155
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Thats not enough to justify the cost of building an a380 neo ....
100 x A380NEO's doesn't justify building it?!?
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100 x A380NEO's doesn't justify building it?!?
The Research and development to build the NEO itself ...... wont come cheap.

- new Engines
- avionics
- carbon fiber body

and so on. That needs to be straightened out and put together.

100 380 NEOs is not enough ..... you dont build a new plane just for 100 or so sales. Its not worth it.
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The Research and development to build the NEO itself ...... wont come cheap. - new Engines - avionics - carbon fiber body and so on. That needs to be straightened out and put together. 100 380 NEOs is not enough ..... you dont build a new plane just for 100 or so sales. Its not worth it.
The current A380 wings have been designed with a -900 stretched version in mind. The power plants are constantly being improved from a performance & reliability perspective. As for the NEO it would simply be an improved variant with a carrier like EK keen to order the type Airbus would be foolish to give it a miss.
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Old January 23rd, 2015, 07:32 AM   #7158
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100 x A380NEO's doesn't justify building it?!?
Airbus hasn't released how much it would cost to develop a neo version of the A380 but based on the $3Bn development cost of the A330neo, I assume it would be similar to that.

Let's try to do the math. One a380, at list price, costs more than $400 million. So, 100 will cost more than $40Bn, at list price. Even with the usual huge discount of 50%, the order is still worth more than $20Bn.

So, more than $20Bn worth of order for $3Bn of development cost, doesn't that sound good? I believe Airbus would be able to pay for the development cost with an order of this size from Emirates. But if Airbus really wanna make money, they need to get orders from other airlines.

Actually, I read about this on some article some time ago. Wanted to attach a link to the article but didn't manage to find it.

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- new Engines
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- carbon fiber body
I believe what Airbus would do is very similar to what they did with the A330neo:
- new engines
- new wings, winglets
- avionics

Making the body in carbon fiber would cost too much. Even Boeing isn't doing it with the 777X (only the wings will be made of carbon fiber).
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1 order for 100 A380neo's a very big step in the direction of launching the neo, but 1 order is not enough to actually do it. Airbus needs to secure more orders to be able to reach the production rates needed to make a profit. For the current A380 it took 10 years and 150 deliveries before the 1st year that the costs of building one is lower then the average price the airlines are paying for it. And to maintain this Airbus needs to maintain a steady production rate. Right now they are at a rate that is financialy in the black (starting this year), but with the delivery gap and the investments needed it will turn again into the red for another period. If Airbus secures enough customers then it can produce the neo at the same rate as they do now it will be back in the black sooner then when they just have the Emirates neo's to delivered.
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Airbus hasn't released how much it would cost to develop a neo version of the A380 but based on the $3Bn development cost of the A330neo, I assume it would be similar to that. Let's try to do the math. One a380, at list price, costs more than $400 million. So, 100 will cost more than $40Bn, at list price. Even with the usual huge discount of 50%, the order is still worth more than $20Bn. So, more than $20Bn worth of order for $3Bn of development cost, doesn't that sound good? I believe Airbus would be able to pay for the development cost with an order of this size from Emirates. But if Airbus really wanna make money, they need to get orders from other airlines. Actually, I read about this on some article some time ago. Wanted to attach a link to the article but didn't manage to find it. I believe what Airbus would do is very similar to what they did with the A330neo: - new engines - new wings, winglets - avionics Making the body in carbon fiber would cost too much. Even Boeing isn't doing it with the 777X (only the wings will be made of carbon fiber).
Don't need to tell me, try telling that to the original Mr Buffalo who's living in a world of his own.
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