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Old March 2nd, 2015, 01:38 AM   #7281
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Are A380s capable of handling a non-stop flight from, say, LAX to Singapore Changi Int'l Airport? I was checking Expedia for a Singapore Airlines flight from Los Angeles to Singapore. While it is handled by an A380, you have to make a stop at Tokyo Narita Int'l Airport before heading on to your final destination.
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Old March 2nd, 2015, 02:24 AM   #7282
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Are A380s capable of handling a non-stop flight from, say, LAX to Singapore Changi Int'l Airport? I was checking Expedia for a Singapore Airlines flight from Los Angeles to Singapore. While it is handled by an A380, you have to make a stop at Tokyo Narita Int'l Airport before heading on to your final destination.
The longest A380 flight to date is Sydney-Dallas, it is 8578 miles.
LAX-SIN would be 8770 miles.
I think A380 may be able to do it but with significant payload penalty.

I think SIN-LAX used to be operated by A340s but SIA decided to stop this route.
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Old March 2nd, 2015, 03:39 AM   #7283
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They did not plan to put anywhere near 1000 seats in it.
The A380-800 is only certified to carry up to 853 passengers, so of course they didn't.
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Old March 4th, 2015, 03:40 AM   #7284
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Old March 5th, 2015, 01:20 AM   #7285
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Shortest A380 route
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Old March 5th, 2015, 01:51 AM   #7286
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Old March 5th, 2015, 12:22 PM   #7287
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Shortest A380 route
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My first A380 flight was in a even shorter route: CDG-LHR, in 2010.

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Old March 5th, 2015, 01:17 PM   #7288
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Malaysia Airlines A380-841 (9M-MNE) as MH004 to London-Heathrow.
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Old March 5th, 2015, 04:31 PM   #7289
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Emirates Airlines Sees Need for 100 to 200 Airbus A380s
CEO Tim Clark urges plane maker to upgrade with more-efficient engines

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BERLIN—Emirates Airline President Tim Clark on Wednesday said the Dubai-based carrier could buy as many as 200 Airbus Group NV A380 superjumbos if an upgraded model is introduced by the European plane maker.



Emirates Airline, the biggest buyer of the current A380 with 140 ordered, has been urging Airbus to upgrade the plane with new engines to improve its efficiency. Emirates will need more A380s to replace the ones in service and eventually could require between 100 to 200 A380neo jets, as the upgraded model is nicknamed, Mr. Clark told the German Council on Foreign Relations think tank.

Airbus officials have said they plan to continue upgrading the double deck, though have stopped short of promising the expensive process of putting new engines on the plane after spending around $15 billion to develop the original version now in service. The European plane maker this year will only start delivering A380 jets that no longer lose money.

Mr. Clark said the airline could use the first A380neo jets around 2021.

Mr. Clark said the A380neo could deliver “a step change” in the airline’s profitability. The plane could be 13% more efficient than the existing version, he said. “That is enormous,” he said. Engines alone should yield 10% lower fuel consumption by introducing technical advancements developed over the past years.

Emirates also is working on redesigning its economy-class seats to cut the weight of each around 30% to reduce fuel consumption while improving comfort, Mr. Clark said. Airbus also is working on weight reductions and improving the aerodynamic efficiency of the plane, he said.

Mr. Clark said he is eager to see Airbus continuing building the plane. The plane maker’s chief financial officer Harald Wilhelm late last year suggested production could cease around the end of the decade absent more orders.
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Old March 5th, 2015, 05:02 PM   #7290
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Emirates must really be scared that Airbus is not going ahead with the neo, or worse cancel the projec, otherwise they wouldn't be making such big noise in the media with similar articles appearing on various (aviation) news sites every other month.

And there's enough reason for them to be scared. So far they are the only airline that is this vocal, other airlines remain very quiet. There haven't been any claims to buy X number of A380 neo's from the other current operators of the A380.

It doesn't matter how many Tim Clark wants to buy, if they are the only customer it will simply not be financially feasible for Airbus to make the investments to go ahead with the neo. They will not be able to reach the production rate that will make it profitable for Airbus to build an A380.

Right now the slot machine only stopped at 1 Jackpot, they need at least 2more to actually win the big price. Only when other airlines start to become vocally interested it will be time to raise the flag.
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Old March 5th, 2015, 09:57 PM   #7291
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What's to say Airbus isn't using a scare tactic to get orders?

EK alone will order 200 airframes at the DAS.
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Old March 6th, 2015, 12:46 AM   #7292
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how many a380's should be made per month to consider profitable?
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Old March 6th, 2015, 01:20 AM   #7293
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where Emirates will put all this A380's ? not all the Airports are capable of handling A380 India has 4 airports Delhi, Mumbai Hydrabad, Banglore and I think Chennai too.Europe- LHR, CDG ,Manchester frankfurt amsterdam.ASia- bejing Bangkok japan Australia sydney melborne New Zealand USA LAX SFO JFK
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Old March 6th, 2015, 05:12 AM   #7294
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where Emirates will put all this A380's ? not all the Airports are capable of handling A380 India has 4 airports Delhi, Mumbai Hydrabad, Banglore and I think Chennai too.Europe- LHR, CDG ,Manchester frankfurt amsterdam.ASia- bejing Bangkok japan Australia sydney melborne New Zealand USA LAX SFO JFK
there's actually more airport than that able to handle a380 ..


Asia :
Beijing , Shanghai , Guangzhou , Shenzhen , Hongkong , Bangkok, Incheon , Tokyo , Osaka , Singapore , Malaysia , Delhi , Mumbai , Doha , Kuwait , Jeddah

and not to mention European , African , and North America's airports (7 in US alone )

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how many a380's should be made per month to consider profitable?
Right now it's at 30 per year, at this rate it will become profitable this year after 10 years since the start of production. As the production line matures the rate could go down while staying profitable. That would be favorable for the possibility of the launch of the A380neo. But it can't go down too much. More investments are needed to design the neo. The very complex logistics of the A380 production line is also not helping to keep it profitable at a much lower production rate. This means that they can't go that much lower then the current rate of 2.5 planes per month. There will also be a gap between the production of the current backlog and the start of the A380neo, that won't help either as Airbus might be forced to slow down the rate before they could start to deliver the neo's to Emirates.


The only real solution to this issue is more orders, the reality is that there haven't been too many the last couple of years. And the last one by Amedeo, placed just over 1 year ago is also not that solid, it's not certain that they will take delivery of all 20, if not any. Hopefully for Airbus the Turkish Airlines order will happen, or that the other ME carriers will place follow up orders. That will give Airbus some time to make the decission about the neo.
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Asia :
Beijing , Shanghai , Guangzhou , Shenzhen , Hongkong , Bangkok, Incheon , Tokyo , Osaka , Singapore , Malaysia , Delhi , Mumbai , Doha , Kuwait , Jeddah

and not to mention European , African , and North America's airports (7 in US alone )

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In Brazil, Sao Paulo and Rio are getting ready to receive the A380 soon.
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Airbus sales chief John Leahy has said to the German press that Airbus keeps commited to the A380. He confirmed that there was an internal discussion about the future, but that everybody in the Airbus group is behind the continuation of the program.

http://www.bilanz-magazin.de/vorabme...er-380-bleibt/
http://www.aerointernational.de/airl...esthalten.html


There's no mention of the A380neo in the articles, but this does suggest that Airbus will go ahead with it. It could actually turn out to be mainly an engine upgrade without too many other changes to the Airplane. Rolls Royce will be paying a large part of the development costs, making it a relatively cheap upgrade for Airbus. A launch could even be expected later this year, either at the Paris airshow this summer or the Dubai Airshow at the end of the year.

But, Airbus still needs to find more customers if they don't want to turn the program into a loss again. But then again, if they keep on making money on the A320, A330neo and in a couple of years with the A350 it doesn't necessarily mean that it matters if the A380 as the flagship plane of Airbus makes them a profit or not.

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Emirates will also decide this year if they place a new A350 order or go with the 787. Any decisions on the A380neo could also have an effect on that order. In other words, more is at stake for Emirates and Airbus then just the future of the A380.
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