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Old June 22nd, 2015, 08:05 PM   #7481
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Any one who fly's EK on a regular basis will of gotten use to full SJ's.
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Old June 23rd, 2015, 06:26 AM   #7482
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I think I have made a few fair points ...... if you were right. Airbus would be selling 380s left and right. But the reality is, airlines havent bought them in what 2 years?
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Old June 23rd, 2015, 08:31 AM   #7483
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The only new aircraft selling worse than the A380 is the B748

Not a fanboy one way or the other, just some perspective.
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Old June 23rd, 2015, 01:40 PM   #7484
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I've been on a fully packed A380 before.
Me too! Watch all the videos of the A380 on yt, they all show fully booked A380's!
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Old June 23rd, 2015, 01:52 PM   #7485
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The aircraft itself is very good but can be made better.
The problem is there are too many airlines that simply aren't good enough at what they do to make it work for them.
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Old June 23rd, 2015, 04:25 PM   #7486
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I really do think airbus is clueless ...... Stretching the plane and adding seats isnt necessary. If Airbus could put the A380 on a diet and lose some weight.

More weight loss = fuel savings
New Engine Options = Fuel savings
Lighter materials = fuel savings

The fuel savings would less the cost of what it takes to run the plane and create more revenue per flight. But hey .... stretch the plane out and add more empty seats per flights!
The stretch version would accomplish fuel savings as well. More seats with minimal additional structural weight. If my understanding is right, the stretched 900-variant should really be considered the base model while the 800-variant is really a shrunk version that carries a lot of structural weight that is actually designed for a bigger frame. An A380-900 that also has new more efficient engines would surely be the most efficient aircraft ever.
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Old June 23rd, 2015, 06:58 PM   #7487
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That's true as long as you can fill the aircraft. If it is difficult to fill an A380-800, imagine how difficult it is to fill an A380-900.
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Old June 24th, 2015, 02:58 AM   #7488
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Fair point, although if the seat-mile costs are lower then you can fill the aircraft more easily. You can maintain the same yield while charging a lower price to attract more passengers.

This assumes the city pair is limited by supply. If there aren't at least 500-600 per day willing to travel between the two airports (assuming no competition from other airlines) then the A389 is not an effective aircraft.
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Old June 24th, 2015, 09:36 AM   #7489
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That's true as long as you can fill the aircraft. If it is difficult to fill an A380-800, imagine how difficult it is to fill an A380-900.
I can't agree more with that. But since Emirates will still be the major operator of the updated a380 (I believe at least 70% of the orders Airbus will get will be from Emirates) and a stretched version is what Emirates really wants, so why not do it?

The second most likely carrier to place an order is SQ. I haven't heard much of Singapore Airlines complaining about filling up the a380 so I assume they might be interested in a moderate stretch. If Airbus can make sure the aircraft can do SIN-LAX and SIN-EWR non-stop profitably, I believe SQ would be more than interested. And if SQ does place an order, it's gonna be at least for 20 frames.

I believe Etihad and Qatar will also place a modest order whether it is stretched or not.

One airline Airbus really needs to woo harder is Cathay Pacific, CX really has the network to support a quite large a380 fleet (5 daily LHR flights, multiple daily LAX, JFK, SFO as well as Australia). And with the constraints they are facing (slot-restriction at airports like LHR and limited number of flights to Australia), even the 777-9 is not big enough to support growth over time. The a380 is the only solution. A streched version means also better cargo capacity which might interest CX.

Whether it is stretched or not, what is sure is that US and European carriers won't be interested in it, which means that the stretch won't change much the number of orders Airbus will get.
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Old June 24th, 2015, 12:56 PM   #7490
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I can't agree more with that. But since Emirates will still be the major operator of the updated a380 (I believe at least 70% of the orders Airbus will get will be from Emirates) and a stretched version is what Emirates really wants, so why not do it?

The second most likely carrier to place an order is SQ. I haven't heard much of Singapore Airlines complaining about filling up the a380 so I assume they might be interested in a moderate stretch. If Airbus can make sure the aircraft can do SIN-LAX and SIN-EWR non-stop profitably, I believe SQ would be more than interested. And if SQ does place an order, it's gonna be at least for 20 frames.

I believe Etihad and Qatar will also place a modest order whether it is stretched or not.

One airline Airbus really needs to woo harder is Cathay Pacific, CX really has the network to support a quite large a380 fleet (5 daily LHR flights, multiple daily LAX, JFK, SFO as well as Australia). And with the constraints they are facing (slot-restriction at airports like LHR and limited number of flights to Australia), even the 777-9 is not big enough to support growth over time. The a380 is the only solution. A streched version means also better cargo capacity which might interest CX.

Whether it is stretched or not, what is sure is that US and European carriers won't be interested in it, which means that the stretch won't change much the number of orders Airbus will get.
So how many can a 11 abreast in lower cabin and 9 abreast in upper cabin A380-900 seat. Assuming that business class is in lower deck with 8 abreast and seat pitch for economy is at 31 inches and 17 inch wide seats with no premium economy. Some Asian airlines may be interested in this high density version.
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Old June 24th, 2015, 04:49 PM   #7491
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I can't agree more with that. But since Emirates will still be the major operator of the updated a380 (I believe at least 70% of the orders Airbus will get will be from Emirates) and a stretched version is what Emirates really wants, so why not do it?

The second most likely carrier to place an order is SQ. I haven't heard much of Singapore Airlines complaining about filling up the a380 so I assume they might be interested in a moderate stretch. If Airbus can make sure the aircraft can do SIN-LAX and SIN-EWR non-stop profitably, I believe SQ would be more than interested. And if SQ does place an order, it's gonna be at least for 20 frames.

I believe Etihad and Qatar will also place a modest order whether it is stretched or not.

One airline Airbus really needs to woo harder is Cathay Pacific, CX really has the network to support a quite large a380 fleet (5 daily LHR flights, multiple daily LAX, JFK, SFO as well as Australia). And with the constraints they are facing (slot-restriction at airports like LHR and limited number of flights to Australia), even the 777-9 is not big enough to support growth over time. The a380 is the only solution. A streched version means also better cargo capacity which might interest CX.

Whether it is stretched or not, what is sure is that US and European carriers won't be interested in it, which means that the stretch won't change much the number of orders Airbus will get.
I remember reading a few years ago that Cathay Pacific is actually interested in a stretched version of the A380. Maybe the stretched version would make some airlines becoming interested with the A380.
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Old June 26th, 2015, 06:05 PM   #7492
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welocme in DXB or XFW?
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Old June 28th, 2015, 05:54 PM   #7494
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Emirates | Airbus A380-800 | A6-EEB | "Rugby World Cup England 2015" | DXB by Nabeel A. Hashmi, on Flickr
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Old June 28th, 2015, 06:22 PM   #7495
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A fully packed A380 ...... how often does that happen? Rumor has it that the A380 just to break even for the flight has to be atleast 80% full.
Where this numbers come from?
1/A380 is profitable far below 80% load factor.
2/A380 average load factor is above other planes on the same routes.
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Old June 29th, 2015, 02:20 AM   #7496
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An A380 flight with 0.2% load factor (one seat filled) can be profitable if the passenger paid $1M for their ticket...

Load factor 100% can lose money for the airline if the tickets are sold for $100 each.

Profitable simply depends how many passengers want to travel and how much they are willing to pay, nothing to do with the number of seats filled.
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Old June 29th, 2015, 03:06 AM   #7497
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Don't you know about A380-800neo? Is that capabilities? What is the range? Is that 9,000nm?
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Old June 30th, 2015, 09:09 PM   #7499
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Emirates the first user of A380
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Old June 30th, 2015, 11:04 PM   #7500
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Sinapore was the frist Airlines with the A380
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