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Old July 10th, 2015, 01:37 PM   #7521
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Which are their other routes? I only know they fly their A380s to Heathrow.
Paris and Hong Kong
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Old July 10th, 2015, 02:11 PM   #7522
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Paris and Hong Kong
Frankfurt too. A lot of their passengers on these routes originate on Australia/NZ, travelling on the Kangaroo Route. But since the two major incidents last year, their passenger numbers starts to decline sharply.
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Old July 10th, 2015, 02:52 PM   #7523
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And the declining passenger numbers also have a knock on effect on the prices. In other words, the seats that are taken bring in less money then they used to. They have to discount the tickets to fill as many seats as possible.


btw, this is not something specific to Malaysian. You always have to take this into account with every airline. A full plane doesn't always mean a full profit.
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Old July 11th, 2015, 12:32 PM   #7524
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Old July 11th, 2015, 01:16 PM   #7525
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Old July 12th, 2015, 12:54 PM   #7526
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In Madrid??? Which ones are the other 2??? I know Emirates is flying there from the A380 from 1st August
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Old July 12th, 2015, 08:02 PM   #7527
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Lufthansa been there twice before, 1st when did introduction flights within Europe in 2010. A year later one landed at Madrid because of a medical emergency.

This Malaysian A380 was hired by Real Madrid to fly them to Asia for their Asian tour this summer.

I actually find it remarkable that Airbus never flew 1 of their prototypes to Madrid for a promotion tour or something.
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Old July 13th, 2015, 01:51 PM   #7528
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Old July 13th, 2015, 02:36 PM   #7529
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Lufthansa been there twice before, 1st when did introduction flights within Europe in 2010. A year later one landed at Madrid because of a medical emergency.

This Malaysian A380 was hired by Real Madrid to fly them to Asia for their Asian tour this summer.

I actually find it remarkable that Airbus never flew 1 of their prototypes to Madrid for a promotion tour or something.
Madrid did not have the proper equipment to handle A380s at the time of when Airbus was doing promotion tours. BA was going to use MAD as a training airport when they were gettting their first A380 but due to the lack of proper equipment they chose FRA as the destination airport. Its nice that Emirates will be the first airline to fly the A380 airport on commercial flights.
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Old July 13th, 2015, 08:29 PM   #7531
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Old July 14th, 2015, 06:48 PM   #7532
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No, they are trying to sell (or is it to wet lease to other company?) 3 of their 6 A380 if I remember correctly. They have no issue filling the KUL-LHR and LHR-KUL flights and I think they plan to keep 3 for this route.
The problem is with their other routes which are not large enough to justify an A380.
British Airways has recently resumed flights to KUL using Boeing 777-200ER aircraft flying once daily. Both they and MH are members of Oneworld. Thus considering that MH is looking like they are pulling out of Mainland Europe perhaps they should consider pulling out of London as well and have BA compensate with 1-2 Daily flights using either 777-300ERs, 747-400s or even A380-800s?
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Old July 14th, 2015, 07:09 PM   #7533
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The second most likely carrier to place an order is SQ. I haven't heard much of Singapore Airlines complaining about filling up the a380 so I assume they might be interested in a moderate stretch. If Airbus can make sure the aircraft can do SIN-LAX and SIN-EWR non-stop profitably, I believe SQ would be more than interested. And if SQ does place an order, it's gonna be at least for 20 frames.
On the possibility of a stretched A380neo being deployed on a non-stop SIN-LAX/EWR route. Do you feel that there is a business case for a daily non-stop flight with around 200 business/first class seats between SE Asia and North America?*

*For it to have a chance at working I assume you need to get Thai, United Airlines and Air Canada involved as well.

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One airline Airbus really needs to woo harder is Cathay Pacific, CX really has the network to support a quite large a380 fleet (5 daily LHR flights, multiple daily LAX, JFK, SFO as well as Australia). And with the constraints they are facing (slot-restriction at airports like LHR and limited number of flights to Australia), even the 777-9 is not big enough to support growth over time. The a380 is the only solution. A streched version means also better cargo capacity which might interest CX.
CX has expressed interest in ordering an extended A380, they did not order the 800 version because of its low cargo capacity compared to 2 X 777-300ERs. Considering the capacity issues at even their home base of Hong Kong, I do agree they need to have such a plane if not now then in the long-run.

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Whether it is stretched or not, what is sure is that US and European carriers won't be interested in it, which means that the stretch won't change much the number of orders Airbus will get.
British Airways might be if airport expansion at Heathrow continues to be put off the table.
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Old July 15th, 2015, 01:57 AM   #7534
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No BA's plan is frequency over capacity. That is why they did not order a huge amount of A380s. Business travelers want options of frequencies instead of waiting for two flights a day on certain airlines and run the chance of missing their flights because of traffic or a meeting went late.
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Old July 15th, 2015, 10:59 AM   #7535
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Old July 15th, 2015, 12:57 PM   #7536
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No BA's plan is frequency over capacity. That is why they did not order a huge amount of A380s. Business travelers want options of frequencies instead of waiting for two flights a day on certain airlines and run the chance of missing their flights because of traffic or a meeting went late.
That might want that (and so do business travelers) but the problem is that Heathrow slot capacity is very limited, they operate half of all flights out of a 2 runway airport when the likes of Lufthansa have 70% of the slots out of a 4 runway airport and several other hubs they dominate (BA only have 20% of the slots at Gatwick and a leading position in Madrid). So they have in real terms less slots to play with than their rivals on Mainland Europe.

If Heathrow gets a 3rd Runway (it needs it right now considering levels of demand) or the British Government bribes Star and Skyteam Carriers to move their London Operations out of Heathrow then this issue might be addressed but until the BA's frequency options are limited.

Likewise the only Intercontinental Destination that needs high frequency is NYC, the rest don't need more than 3 flights a day.
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Old July 15th, 2015, 04:35 PM   #7537
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Old July 15th, 2015, 04:51 PM   #7538
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Emirates might start an A380 service between DXB/Dubai and DOH/Doha.
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Old July 15th, 2015, 05:31 PM   #7539
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Emirates might start an A380 service between DXB/Dubai and DOH/Doha.
It's a 1 off DXB-DOH A380 service
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Old July 15th, 2015, 05:59 PM   #7540
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On the possibility of a stretched A380neo being deployed on a non-stop SIN-LAX/EWR route. Do you feel that there is a business case for a daily non-stop flight with around 200 business/first class seats between SE Asia and North America?*
I'm not sure whether you mean 200 premium seats for the overall SE Asia and North America (all routes combined) or 200 premium seats each for each major route (such as SIN-NYC, SIN-LAX...). If the former, then I would say there is a way more demand for premium seats than that. If the latter, I believe you assume that the aircraft will be configured with premium seats only. However, SQ has already mentioned it wants a plane than can to fly those routes non-stop with a mix of cabins (unlike with the a340-500). And I think it's not so challenging for Airbus to meet those requirements with the next-generation a380.

Moreover, SQ's 4-class A380 (with all-business class upper cabin) currently is only configured with 379 seats justifying my argument that a larger a380 should not be a problem at all for SQ. If I'm not wrong, all US 380 flights are using this configuration meaning a high demand for premium seats for the SE Asia - North America market.

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*For it to have a chance at working I assume you need to get Thai, United Airlines and Air Canada involved as well.
For now, I don't see any of those carriers you mentioned interested in the a380, whether Airbus stretches it or not. If Airbus launches the a380neo, I don't think they will expect an order from any of those carriers, they will mainly(or solely) rely on the ME3 and the Asian 'leaders' (SQ, CX and maybe some others).
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