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Old November 7th, 2015, 11:35 AM   #7741
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A piece on the economics of very long haul flight.
http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/2/689a1...a37d1e096.html

Singapore ordered a340-500 frames when fuel was 42c a litre , rose to 93c a litre on delivery and were mothballed at $2.80l and uneconomic. The a380 could now be costing less than projected to run.
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Old November 7th, 2015, 01:50 PM   #7742
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Old November 7th, 2015, 11:26 PM   #7743
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EK received it's 68th A380 registration number A6-EOP. It is also EK's first two class A380.

And here it is.
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Old November 10th, 2015, 08:51 PM   #7744
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Turkish Airline mulling Airbus A380 order.

An order would be a huge coup for Airbus, who has struggled to find a new customer for the super jumbo.

Dubai: Turkish Airlines says it would be encouraged to order the Airbus A380 if the European plane marker commits to developing a more fuel- efficient, re-engined model.

Ahmet Bolat, Turkish Airlines Chief Investment and Technology Officer, told Gulf News at the Dubai Airshow on Tuesday the carrier is considering ordering the A380 or Boeing 747, which it could operate as soon as 2018, when Istanbul’s new airport opens.

http://gulfnews.com/business/aviatio...rder-1.1617586
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Old November 10th, 2015, 10:20 PM   #7745
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2010
http://www.seattletimes.com/business...en-747-8-a380/

2012
http://airnation.net/2012/06/22/turk...r-airbus-jets/

2014
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articl...rs-of-stalling


We'll see what happens with that Turkish Airlines order.

They're better off placing that long awaited 787 and/or A350 order first.
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Old November 11th, 2015, 01:10 AM   #7746
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Well don't think its Turkish but Airbus have been saying they expect to sign a new a380 order 'Very, very soon but possibly not before the end of the airshow'.
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Old November 11th, 2015, 01:22 AM   #7747
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Turkish can pick up either.

1. Ex Lease Singapore frames.
2. Transaeros
3. Skymarks
4. Virgin want rid of 2 or 3 ....or
5. Amadeo have 20 to lease out

No need to buy a new one if you are Turkish.

Anyway Ataturk is already heaving with Pax and the new Istanbul airport is unlikely to be ready before 2020 anyway.

Saudia is a better bet, not for all cattle class Hajj business but for 1 flagship route like Jeddah - JFK.
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Old November 11th, 2015, 03:45 AM   #7748
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by the way, a380 in turkish livery


http://www.wings900.com/vb/custom-mo...ines-a380.html
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Old November 12th, 2015, 02:48 AM   #7749
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Is it over for the Airbus A380? Will Airbus cut its losses and retire this model?
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Old November 12th, 2015, 10:58 PM   #7750
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Yeah, also worth noting its sold faster than the 747 did in the first few years of its life. 317 in 9 years, the 747 sold 315 in eleven years including gaps of three years with no domestic sales and 17 months with no foreign sales.
are you REALLY comparing the airline marketplace when the 747 came out with the market when the a380 came out?

that is an absolutely PATHETIC comparison.
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Old November 13th, 2015, 02:58 AM   #7751
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Its up to Airbus if A380 would be discontinued or what...
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Old November 13th, 2015, 03:18 AM   #7752
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I think it is up to EK now, and reducing the production rate to keep the line alive.
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Old November 13th, 2015, 04:52 AM   #7753
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Is it over for the Airbus A380? Will Airbus cut its losses and retire this model?
Airbus either need to double down and invest several billion euro to make the A380 competitive with the 787/A350/777X or retire it. Prospects for additional sales of the current A380 are dim. It will be difficult to convince the board of directors to invest several billion euro in the program which has lost more money than any other program in the history of aerospace but, in the EU, it might be possible.

Prospects for the 747-8 are even dimmer. The age of four-engine airliners is drawing to a close.
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Old November 13th, 2015, 12:28 PM   #7754
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that is an absolutely PATHETIC comparison.
You keep using that word, but I do not think it means what you think it means...

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Pathetic: arousing pity, especially through vulnerability or sadness.
So... you feel sorry for him?

But your tone suggests more contempt, anger, and derision at his poor attempt at comparison between the economic realities of the 1960's and today... Not pity... Perhaps a different word is necessitated?

"Incorrect"... Nah, too soft. Too direct. Lacking poetry.

"Spurious"... Nah, Makes him sound more like liar than ignorant. He's not trying to deceive us... He's just a nincompoop whose not as well versed in the economic realities of the 1960's like you good sir.

Atrocious perhaps? I think we're on the right track there... "That is an absolutely ATROCIOUS comparison." See, now you're talking!

But how are we to be sure if that's what you were going for since you simply left your comment at that point... Perhaps you really were so saddened by his lack of knowledge that you really DO take pity on him and wish he were to take a more active role in understanding the history of the world economy...

Or perhaps you shouldn't waste a comment telling someone how much they suck without at least explaining why and giving some evidence as to why you disagree with them.
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Old November 13th, 2015, 02:38 PM   #7755
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I also wonder why people often bring up the slow 747 start argument here.

There's one simple difference between then and now. Airbus and Boeing sold over 5,000 other wide-body planes since the the official launch of the A380 in December 2001. Compared with the sales successes of the A330, A350, 777 & 787 the current total number of ordered A380 simply fails to impress.


As for the possibilities of an A380neo, I believe the decision to go ahead has mainly to do with financing. Airbus has always depended on launch aid from European Governments, even if this launch aid was mainly in the form of (cheap) loans which Airbus has all paid back. The reality now is that it has become clear that the only airline that fully benefits from the A380 is Emirates. It's also not a secret that the European governments are not happy with Emirates. They claim that the airline is heavily funded by UAE subsidies, resulting in unfair advantage in the competition with the European legacy carriers.

If this is true doesn't really matter in the point I'm trying to make, it's a completely different discussion. But the distrust of Emirates and co. could make the European governments hesitant about giving Airbus launch aid for the A380neo. Why would they finance an airplane which is only hurting their own airlines. It was already in the press that Airbus was asking Emirates to contribute to the financing of the project, on top of placing a large order. This suggest that there's some truth behind my theory.

The drawback for Emirates is that they will also be funding a new plane for their competitors. I could the negotiations between Airbus and Emirates going back and forth about this financing side of the launch of the A380neo. That's probably also the reason why the project has now been delayed several times.
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Old November 13th, 2015, 05:34 PM   #7756
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Old November 13th, 2015, 11:46 PM   #7757
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I believe there is a temporary crisis for a380, more orders will be done ahead or far ahead?
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Old November 14th, 2015, 01:40 AM   #7758
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Nobody knows right now. At full rate production the line will shut down in 3 years, 4 at the most. The new Dubai airport will not be ready in 3 or 4 years.
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Old November 15th, 2015, 04:39 AM   #7759
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A380 from Emirates landing on São Paulo International Airport for the first time today.











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Old November 15th, 2015, 04:57 AM   #7760
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Muita gente em GRU para ver o "batismo oficial" do A380 no Brasil!

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