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Old January 4th, 2016, 02:03 AM   #7881
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When I arrived in Incheon Int'l Airport with Korean Air Airbus a380.
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Old January 4th, 2016, 02:09 AM   #7882
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Old January 4th, 2016, 03:14 AM   #7883
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Both Airbus and Boeing try very hard to avoid building whitetails.
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Old January 5th, 2016, 11:50 AM   #7884
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Singapore Airlines' special livery A380 (9V-SKJ)
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Old January 5th, 2016, 01:56 PM   #7885
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Old January 5th, 2016, 04:42 PM   #7886
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Eva Air Boeing 777-35E(ER) B-16703 Sanrio Family Hand in Hand by EK056, on Flickr



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Old January 5th, 2016, 07:46 PM   #7887
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Both Emirates and Airbus gave themselves a good year to think about the future of the plane, in the meantime Emirates is receiving 30 planes, i believe too many people are thinking too fast and taking many things for granted, let´s wait and see.

I read today a really surprising article about the "i have no words at all to express the idea of how fast can things happen" rate at which electronic payment through mobiles is advancing in China, i was shocked, more than 300 million people use this payment systems today and it is expexted that, by 2017, 750 million will use them, which is half of the population of China.

I do not see the future without this plane, it is just my personal opinion, in the wost case scenario i see production stopped for a short period of time.
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Old January 6th, 2016, 03:22 PM   #7888
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Old January 7th, 2016, 07:35 AM   #7890
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Are you a Boeing fanboy?
What about the A320, which ANA is operating?
Dude, calm down. I just assumed that when ANA got rid of its A321s a few years past their fleet became all Boeing. But you are right, out of 208 aircraft ANA operates 11 Airbus and 197 Boeing.

Anyhow, my point was that ANA, compared to Delta, is not a big Airbus customer, and that Airbus had presumably an incentive to keep their larger customer happy.
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Old January 7th, 2016, 07:42 AM   #7891
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Old January 9th, 2016, 12:35 AM   #7892
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I do not see the future without this plane, it is just my personal opinion, in the wost case scenario i see production stopped for a short period of time.
If Airbus shut down A380 production, there is very little chance that it would ever be restarted. I cannot think of any airliner for which production restarted after having been shut down.

The growth in air travel is not accommodated primarily or even secondarily by increasing the size of airliners. The average size of jet airliners hasn't changed significantly over the last 40 years. At best it's a tertiary factor. Increased frequency has accommodated at least ten times as much passenger traffic growth as changes in airliner size. The other huge change accommodating passenger traffic growth is the proliferation of city pairs served. As recently as 2000, it was trivially easy to think up a pair of cities each with a metro population of more than one million for which it was not possible to travel in between with fewer than four flights. Now it's a challenge. Many trips which used to require two flights now are served nonstop. Many other trips which used to require three flights are now connected with only two flights. This trend will continue. Increasing passenger traffic has not in the past resulted in larger airliners and I don't believe it will in the future.
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Old January 9th, 2016, 02:12 AM   #7893
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Do you have any data to back up your statement?

To be honest, so far I have read the opposite. At least in Europe aircraft size increased over the last years mainly dye to increased congestion and limited number of slots and runway capacity.





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Do you have any data to back up your statement?

To be honest, so far I have read the opposite. At least in Europe aircraft size increased over the last years mainly dye to increased congestion and limited number of slots and runway capacity.
You're cherry-picking the busiest routes. I meant the average worldwide, all routes. The data are public. Just look at the number of each type sold by the manufacturers each year (don't forget Embraer and Bombardier) and compute the average. You can find cabin floor area data (probably the best metric for size) at airliners.net.

There was an increase from the mid-1960s to mid-1970s when the 747-100 and 747-200 were hot sellers (compared to the overall global market). It's been pretty stable the last 40 years.

The number of slot controlled airports in the world can be counted on your fingers. Slot controls have no significant impact on the worldwide airliner market -- only if one cherry picks the busiest routes.
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Old January 9th, 2016, 04:59 AM   #7895
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Yeah right, the major European airports are cherry picking. Its just one of the biggest aviation markets in the world.

And even if the global average airplane size remained stable in he last 40 years, it just shows that many more small planes on previously not served routes have been added. This doesn't say anything about the demand for larger planes on the major routes or in general.

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That's a funny statement. The "busiest routes" are just the most important ones in the global aviation markets.
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Old January 9th, 2016, 09:03 AM   #7896
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... it just shows that many more small planes on previously not served routes have been added.
That was the point I made. Adding smaller planes to airline fleets in order to add new routes is the main way that airlines cope with increased demand, followed by increasing frequencies on existing routes.

2015 net orders by jet airliner type, from largest to smallest:
A380: 0
747: 2
777: 58
A350: -5
787: 71
A330: 39
767: 49
A320: 822
737: 588
C-series: 0
Embraer: 229
CRJ: 56

This is what the airlines and leasing companies are actually buying. If you want to make an argument that there is significant demand for very large airliners (i.e. larger than 777), go ahead, make me laugh. The single-aisle airliners are outselling the wide-bodies 8:1 and about 99% of the wide-bodies and about 99.9% of all airliners sold in 2015 are smaller than the 747. 100% of all airliners sold in 2015 are smaller than the A380.

I have not included Chinese or Russian models because they do not compete in the global market (yet), they only sell domestically. The Airbus and Embraer numbers are preliminary because Airbus release their sales results about two weeks later than Boeing and Bombardier.
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Old January 9th, 2016, 11:13 AM   #7897
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What's with all the speculating people. Airbus publicly said they will go ahead with the A380NEO somewhere after 2020, and that is fact for now.

Of course it won't sell as much as other air-frames because it's a niche product.

Most airlines that fly the A380 also have the 777, 350, and 787 in their fleets.
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That was the point I made. Adding smaller planes to airline fleets in order to add new routes is the main way that airlines cope with increased demand, followed by increasing frequencies on existing routes.

2015 net orders by jet airliner type, from largest to smallest:
A380: 0

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Looking at single year orders in a market which naturally consists of low order numbers (because the value of each piece is so high) and has a track record of high fluctuations, is either sloppy or dishonest.

If you look at 3 year averages of A380 sales, you can't see a significant negative tendency in A380 at all. That doesn't mean that it could not flatten off but so far the evidence for something like that is not there:

3-average orders per year:
2004-2006: 14.7
2007-2009: 15.3
2010-2012: 20.0
2013-2015: 18.3
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Old January 9th, 2016, 06:35 PM   #7899
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That was the point I made. Adding smaller planes to airline fleets in order to add new routes is the main way that airlines cope with increased demand, followed by increasing frequencies on existing routes.

2015 net orders by jet airliner type, from largest to smallest:
A380: 0
747: 2
777: 58
A350: -5
787: 71
A330: 39
767: 49
A320: 822
737: 588
C-series: 0
Embraer: 229
CRJ: 56

This is what the airlines and leasing companies are actually buying. If you want to make an argument that there is significant demand for very large airliners (i.e. larger than 777), go ahead, make me laugh. The single-aisle airliners are outselling the wide-bodies 8:1 and about 99% of the wide-bodies and about 99.9% of all airliners sold in 2015 are smaller than the 747. 100% of all airliners sold in 2015 are smaller than the A380.

I have not included Chinese or Russian models because they do not compete in the global market (yet), they only sell domestically. The Airbus and Embraer numbers are preliminary because Airbus release their sales results about two weeks later than Boeing and Bombardier.
SSJ has been ordered by a Mexican and a Belgian(Irish?) airline, both of them having nothing to do with the USSR. Having said that, it's still a very small player and it's OK to not include it as of now.
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Old January 9th, 2016, 06:37 PM   #7900
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What's with all the speculating people. Airbus publicly said they will go ahead with the A380NEO somewhere after 2020, and that is fact for now.

Of course it won't sell as much as other air-frames because it's a niche product.

Most airlines that fly the A380 also have the 777, 350, and 787 in their fleets.
No, that is not a fact by any stretch. It'll become a fact when the plane is launched and they start working on it in earnest and start seeking orders.

Just saying they will do something in 5 years is as far from a "fact" as you can get.
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