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Old January 29th, 2016, 10:29 AM   #7981
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Old January 29th, 2016, 10:30 AM   #7982
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The frequency vs size argument has won America over. They went with frequency. United bought 40 new 737-700s for the cost of maybe 4 a380s this month. You can run hourly shuttles with that many and on more routes.

Slot constrained airports in the us are rare and many are small...eg LaGuardia.
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Old January 29th, 2016, 01:10 PM   #7983
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The frequency vs size argument has won America over. They went with frequency. United bought 40 new 737-700s for the cost of maybe 4 a380s this month. You can run hourly shuttles with that many and on more routes.
To be fair when we consider the A380 or 747-8 we're talking in the context of long-haul flights, not frequent domestic or regional international flights....Wouldn't American passengers prefer to fly long-haul on the A380?? Much more comfortable and for a country that used to pioneer bigger and better it seems crazy that not even one airline flies super jumbos..

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Old January 29th, 2016, 01:23 PM   #7984
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for a country that used to pioneer bigger and better it seems to have lost tits way when it comes to flying super jumbos...
Yeah but they will send 2 x Daily 787s onto a route instead of 1 x A380, the option of flight flexibility sells the business seats. Same number of passengers carried overall. US airlines made a packet of cash last year on the back of low avgas prices so we must assume they know _their_ market. They are not great at flying 747s either...it is not an anti 380 bias but an anti superheavy business model.

Only LHR of the big International Airports is very slot constrained.

In the US the slot constraints issue affecting LHR only really affect Reagan and La Guardia which are for INTERNAL flights and which are quite small physically too.

A big A380 or 747 would simply cause havoc in these busy little airports so it is not a solution to their problem really.
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Old January 29th, 2016, 01:24 PM   #7985
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To be fair when we consider the A380 or 747-8 we're talking in the context of long-haul flights, not frequent domestic or regional international flights....Wouldn't American passengers prefer to fly long-haul on the A380?? Much more comfortable and for a country that used to pioneer bigger and better it seems crazy that not even one airline flies super jumbos..
Only one airline in the States has a hand full of 77W's which isn't logical either. I think a lot of it has to do with aircraft size in pilots contracts. Smaller air frames with frequent frequencies means more work for pilots which keeps the unions happy.
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Old January 29th, 2016, 10:00 PM   #7986
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Finally, ANA has got 3 new A380:

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ANA Group selects the A380

Three aircraft for first Japanese airline to operate the world’s largest aircraft



http://www.airbus.com/newsevents/new...ects-the-a380/
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“Hello ANA Group!” The A380 is to join the jetliner fleet of this Japanese carrier



http://www.airbus.com/newsevents/new...anese-carrier/
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Old January 29th, 2016, 10:30 PM   #7987
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Finally, ANA has got 3 new A380:
Hopefully Japan Airlines will follow in kind...


http://news.airwise.com/story/ana-or...e-airbus-a380s
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Old January 29th, 2016, 11:09 PM   #7988
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Only one airline in the States has a hand full of 77W's which isn't logical either. I think a lot of it has to do with aircraft size in pilots contracts. Smaller air frames with frequent frequencies means more work for pilots which keeps the unions happy.
No, union pilots almost always get paid more to fly larger aircraft. Yes, union pilots care about increasing the number of pilots, but they care even more about improving their own career paths. ALPA would love for US carriers to buy A380s, but they are not economically viable.
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Old January 29th, 2016, 11:10 PM   #7989
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Only one airline in the States has a hand full of 77W's which isn't logical either. I think a lot of it has to do with aircraft size in pilots contracts. Smaller air frames with frequent frequencies means more work for pilots which keeps the unions happy.
From what I've read I do think that's the bigger issue. It is crazy that unions get to dictate the type of aircraft an airline flies. Other countries don't seemt to have these issues.

Anyway, time will tell and there are plenty of foreign carriers operating the type to the US already. I do wonder if this will negatively effect the market shares of US carriers long-term. I know if I were travelly from JFK to Europe or Asia I would prefer to fly with an airline that uses A380s..
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Old January 29th, 2016, 11:12 PM   #7990
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Wouldn't American passengers prefer to fly long-haul on the A380?? Much more comfortable
I've flown on A380s with several different airlines. I cannot say they are any more comfortable than the 787 or A350. Comfort is all about how the airline configures the interior and the level of service from the flighties.
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Old January 30th, 2016, 06:23 AM   #7991
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Yeah but they will send 2 x Daily 787s onto a route instead of 1 x A380, the option of flight flexibility sells the business seats. Same number of passengers carried overall. US airlines made a packet of cash last year on the back of low avgas prices so we must assume they know _their_ market. They are not great at flying 747s either...it is not an anti 380 bias but an anti superheavy business model.

Only LHR of the big International Airports is very slot constrained.

In the US the slot constraints issue affecting LHR only really affect Reagan and La Guardia which are for INTERNAL flights and which are quite small physically too.

A big A380 or 747 would simply cause havoc in these busy little airports so it is not a solution to their problem really.
Isn't Chicago O'Hare another of those big international airports that are slot-constrained? Why else would they be seeking to configure themselves for the A380?
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Old January 30th, 2016, 02:01 PM   #7992
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Isn't Chicago O'Hare another of those big international airports that are slot-constrained?
Could be, dunno. It is more a European problem though as the US built proper big airports when they could before the eco nutter lobby got big.
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Old January 30th, 2016, 02:23 PM   #7993
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Old January 30th, 2016, 03:30 PM   #7994
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Isn't Chicago O'Hare another of those big international airports that are slot-constrained? Why else would they be seeking to configure themselves for the A380?
No Chicago O'Hare is not slot constrained. They did away with that during the Great Recession of 08.

Plus Americans like frequency over capacity on big routes. Take for example JFK-LHR-JFK. No one flies an A380 but yet their is over 8 daily flights from BA/VA/AA on that route using a mixture of 777s/340s/787s.
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No Chicago O'Hare is not slot constrained. They did away with that during the Great Recession of 08.

Plus Americans like frequency over capacity on big routes. Take for example JFK-LHR-JFK. No one flies an A380 but yet their is over 8 daily flights from BA/VA/AA on that route using a mixture of 777s/340s/787s.
The route you mentioned ...... lot of people like time flexibility when flying that route. So thats why smaller planes are used for it.

The a380 was supposed to be use to cut down the amount of flights .... little did they know. Passengers dont fly like that.
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Old January 30th, 2016, 06:18 PM   #7996
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I've flown on A380s with several different airlines. I cannot say they are any more comfortable than the 787 or A350. Comfort is all about how the airline configures the interior and the level of service from the flighties.
Excellent point! I've been flying A380 with Air France and Lufthansa and the configuration and seats was strongly reminiscent (identical, in the case of seats) of their Boeing 777s. The only "winners" are the airlines who get to stuff more paying passengers into a small space.

Granted, I have also flown Singapore Airlines A380, and THAT was an uplifting experience. But, hey, that has everything to do with Sing, and little to do with Airbus.
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Old January 30th, 2016, 07:25 PM   #7997
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I wonder is ANA taking the two A380's originally intended for Skymark and the A380 that was under construction for Transaero?
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Looking at the "production list" of the Airbus A380 the number of planes ordered by Iran seem pretty much to fit with the cancelled or uncertain orders. ¿Is there any posibility that we see Iran receiving the planes in the very near future?

http://www.abcdlist.nl/a380f/a380f.html

If it is the case defitively Airbus gets more and much needed time to see what to do and probably ruins the plan of Billy Walsh to buy "second" hand airplanes.

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