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Old February 1st, 2016, 02:10 AM   #8001
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It's Willie Walsh and none of the extra planes he wants to buy are on that production list of yours.
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Old February 2nd, 2016, 12:49 AM   #8002
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I wish i had a production list, but i don't i know your Willie wants to lease cheap used planes, that will be much easier if there are available new cheap planes,if, and only if, it's not the case his plan just falls apart. The actual owners of the used planes can request a higher price if those are the only available in the market, and they can also wait and see, with little risk. Hope it's clearer now for everybody, Mr Sponge Bob included .
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Old February 2nd, 2016, 02:11 AM   #8003
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Leeham News Estimate that the Iran Air order will simply come from the Amadeo and Virgin and Air Austral orders not being taken up, almost 30 frames alone in that lot and Amadeo have placed none of their 20 frames with first delivery due in 2017.

I still don't think Iran Air will take 12 frames when the order is firmed up, it may well turn into 8 confirmed and 4 options on final detailed contract signing in around a month or so but options are no good for the A380 now.

Between the swings and roundabouts we might see a production rate reduction announcement as early as July 2016 to eke the programme out. The 747 is even deaderer of course.
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Old February 2nd, 2016, 05:36 AM   #8004
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Old February 2nd, 2016, 08:43 PM   #8005
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Leeham News Estimate that the Iran Air order will simply come from the Amadeo and Virgin and Air Austral orders not being taken up, almost 30 frames alone in that lot and Amadeo have placed none of their 20 frames with first delivery due in 2017..
That leehman of yours uses a cheap argument, anyone could say that those 20 will be taken by Emirates and it will be a empty statement, also.
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Old February 2nd, 2016, 09:06 PM   #8006
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That leehman of yours uses a cheap argument,
Not MY Leeham Chico! Emirates already swapped 4 x 2016 delivery slots with Amadeo without leasing a sausage off them.
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Old February 2nd, 2016, 10:22 PM   #8007
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What Leeham is saying is basically that even with the new orders there will still be enough dead wood on Airbus's A380 backlog. And that the back-log is still shrinking fast as the deliveries still outnumber the deliveries.

There will be a limit in the number of A380s can take delivery of in 1 year. Now the production costs have come down enough they will be able to slow down the production a little every year. But only if there are no more new orders. It's going to be interesting if the 2nd order Airbus was speaking about in november will materialize. They talked about 2 orders, an order for 12 A380s which turned out to be Iran Air and a different order by a new customer for 20 A380s. If that's a solid airline, like for example Turkish Airlines, it would mean the boost the A380 really needed. Emirates will probably also order more A380ceo's eventually if Airbus doesn't go ahead with the neo. They had 68 left at the start of this year and will take 21 this year. If they continue taking them at this speed there won't be any more to deliver to Emirates in early 2019.

Moral of the story, Airbus needs even more A380 orders to keep out of trouble with the program.
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Old February 3rd, 2016, 11:11 AM   #8008
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Old February 3rd, 2016, 11:18 PM   #8009
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Why the buses?
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Old February 3rd, 2016, 11:23 PM   #8010
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Must be lots of buses for the A380.
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Old February 5th, 2016, 10:11 AM   #8011
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Old February 5th, 2016, 09:11 PM   #8012
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I have such a hatred for Dubai Airport buses. They have ads on it so you can't see outside. First, I love looking around. Second, it can take up to 10 minutes in what essentially becomes a box.

Screw those ads that block your view.
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Old February 6th, 2016, 01:00 AM   #8013
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Is The Airbus A380 Coming Of Age?

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On the surface, the 75% slump in oil prices since July 2014 has enabled Airbus Group SE to improve the relative competitiveness of its A380 superjumbo, while postponing the service entry date of an upgrade including equipping the people-mover with a next-generation engine to as late as 2024 or 2025.

Yet, the broader implications of the oil price collapse go far beyond, prompting changes in the air travel demand mix, which tilt the balance in favour of price-sensitive leisure travellers as carriers slash airfares to grab a bigger market share and stimulate further growth. At the same time, the upcoming influx of belly cargo capacity brought on by the deliveries of Boeing 787, 777X and the Airbus A350, means the current cargo doldrum symbolises a paradigm shift that is unlikely to reverse course.

This analysis examines the effects of these cost and demand driver changes, and whether their confluence could spur new A380 sales, should these favourable trends be sustained.
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Old February 7th, 2016, 04:50 AM   #8014
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Old February 9th, 2016, 08:19 AM   #8015
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Emirates will probably also order more A380ceo's eventually if Airbus doesn't go ahead with the neo.
Probably not. Emirates already evaluated that and decided that they would rather have the 777-9.
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Old February 12th, 2016, 03:33 AM   #8016
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Old February 12th, 2016, 10:42 AM   #8017
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Oasis, that post of yours is simply ignorant. There is no news in it only 4 or 5 photos of a bloody plane somewhere. Stop posting that rubbish in this forum and use the photos forum for it.
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Old February 12th, 2016, 11:05 AM   #8018
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Probably not. Emirates already evaluated that and decided that they would rather have the 777-9.
The 777-8/9's are replacing the 777-200LR/300ER's so EK really want the A380NEO to replace the CEO's.
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Old February 12th, 2016, 11:31 AM   #8019
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Weeeeeell there is the as yet undecided A350 order if the 787 cannot generate enough thrust to take off from DXB fully loaded. Emirates can open daytime slots ( the third major movement sequence in DXB) if they get the right planes.

In that case they have the option of 3 or 4 daily flights from certain airports where they have 2 flights now and need to use the A380 for one or both of these.

If they decide to go with higher frequency and develop the third or even fourth (daytime) movement peak they may not need a new A380 to feed in and out.

Furthermore the SEC has recently shown great interest in programme accounting vis a vis the 787 and 747 and if this accounting were strictly applied to the A380 then Airbus might have to show a _stupendous_ accounting loss on the A380ceo, report it to the stock market, take the hit finally and move on.

Moving on will not involve a risk like the A380neo. Ironically Boeings faffing about with accounting for the 747-8 programme might be what kills the A380 and it cannot do much good for the A400 either.
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Old February 12th, 2016, 12:13 PM   #8020
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Weeeeeell there is the as yet undecided A350 order if the 787 cannot generate enough thrust to take off from DXB fully loaded. Emirates can open daytime slots ( the third major movement sequence in DXB) if they get the right planes.

In that case they have the option of 3 or 4 daily flights from certain airports where they have 2 flights now and need to use the A380 for one or both of these.

If they decide to go with higher frequency and develop the third or even fourth (daytime) movement peak they may not need a new A380 to feed in and out.

Furthermore the SEC has recently shown great interest in programme accounting vis a vis the 787 and 747 and if this accounting were strictly applied to the A380 then Airbus might have to show a _stupendous_ accounting loss on the A380ceo, report it to the stock market, take the hit finally and move on.

Moving on will not involve a risk like the A380neo. Ironically Boeings faffing about with accounting for the 747-8 programme might be what kills the A380 and it cannot do much good for the A400 either.
Sir Tim Clark once said that due to the hot climate the 787-10 apparently wouldn't be able to fly over 8 hours for EK, however 80% of EK's flights are within an 8-hour range anyway. The word on the other hand from Airbus is that they don't expect to develop the A380NEO anytime soon (not before 2020 at least) so it seems that the chance of seeing an A380NEO is very rare at the moment.

EK needs at least about a 100 new aircraft right? why don't they just order half A350-900s and half B787-10s? That way they'd have A350 and A380s from Airbus, and B777s and 787s from Boeing, nice combination I think. Personally, I would love nothing more than to see a B787-10 in EK's livery
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