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Old April 16th, 2016, 07:47 PM   #8121
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EK probably got the two airframes for free because they decided to buy the XWB in the end.
No doubt EK paid a very low price for those two frames because otherwise Airbus would have been stuck with them, but they would not have been free. The price was probably somewhere in the vicinity of $100M each. Airbus would have disassembled them for parts before giving them away for free. This is my intuition based on my past experience negotiating an airliner deal with Airbus.

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I think.. Qantas will cancel it´s A380 order...
I also expect Qantas to cancel (or covert their order to A350s).
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Old April 16th, 2016, 08:42 PM   #8122
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I also expect Qantas to cancel (or covert their order to A350s).
Virgin might do the same thing, and as for Amadeo I'd say they can cancel with no penalties whatsoever...there was a certain timing aspect to that Amadeo order that makes me think that Airbus gave them a full getout in order to get pen on paper.

It looks like Emirates will have near 2 out of 3 in service A380s by 2019 at this stage.

BA will start to pick up ex lease A380s probably from next year when the first Singapore lease is up. They freshened up their own 747-400s so I think they'll do the same with the A380.
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Old April 16th, 2016, 11:08 PM   #8123
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Air France has also confirmed that they will convert their 2 remaining A380s on order to 3 A350s. But Airbus has not yet updated that on their order book.
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Old April 17th, 2016, 01:41 AM   #8124
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I'm sorry but I must've missed the announcement. When did EK order the A350?
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Old April 17th, 2016, 08:12 AM   #8125
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Read back the conversation.

They haven't reordered the A350. It was just speculation after their new order for 2 A380s was not confirmed by either Airbus or Emirates straight away.
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Old April 17th, 2016, 11:57 AM   #8126
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I wish Asiana (OZ) would pick up a couple more A380s. I flew back home to US on one of them in Economy and I thought the seats were very comfortable and spacious. I wish they flew them through out their network.
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Old April 20th, 2016, 01:55 PM   #8127
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Emirates to buy two more Airbus A380 aircraft

Latest news: Emirates to buy two more Airbus A380 aircraft



UAE-based carrier Emirates Airline has placed an order with Airbus to buy two more A380 superjumbo aircraft, with deliveries scheduled in the last quarter of next year. Claimed to operate the largest Airbus A380s fleet in the world, Emirates currently has 75 A380s in service and another 65 on firm order.

To meet our growth expectations, we will receive delivery of 24 new Boeing 777, and 33 new A380 aircraft including these two additional A380 aircraft just ordered.This is in line with our strategy to operate a modern and efficient fleet and offer the best possible experience for our customers.
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Old April 21st, 2016, 07:33 AM   #8128
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Old April 21st, 2016, 04:08 PM   #8129
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A6-APC Etihad Airways Airbus A380-861 SYD/YSSY 12/4/2016 by Tony, on Flickr
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Old April 21st, 2016, 07:59 PM   #8130
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Old April 23rd, 2016, 02:12 AM   #8131
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Airbus to cut output of slow-selling A380 superjumbo

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European planemaker Airbus plans to cut production of its A380 superjumbo from 2017 as it struggles to revive sales of the world's largest passenger jet, two industry sources said.

It has told its suppliers to slow production to support an assembly rate of 1.7 aircraft per month from next year, compared with production of just over two a month now, the sources said.

The exact month in which the slowdown would be felt in the Toulouse assembly plant was not immediately clear.

Airbus declined to comment on talks with suppliers.

"We can't comment on any discussions which may or may not have happened," a spokesman said.

The company does not publish production figures for its biggest model, but only targets deliveries.

Sales of large four-engine airliners like the 544-seat A380 have been hit by improvements in the range and efficiency of smaller two-engined models, which can be easier to fill.

Airbus, which has delivered 143 A380s since it began service in 2007, says the double-decker is becoming more attractive due to lower oil prices and also helps to solve airport congestion.

But because of long lead times the sources said Airbus had been forced to ask suppliers to slow the flow of parts.

Depending on the exact timing of the change, any slowdown could test the company's ability to continue to break even on the jet, after stemming losses for the first time last year.

Last year it delivered 27 A380s and has said it expects to continue to break even based on similar deliveries in 2016.
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Old April 23rd, 2016, 02:42 AM   #8132
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That will keep the programme alive to around end 2019, which is when replacement cycles might kick in. MIGHT I said!
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Old April 23rd, 2016, 06:57 AM   #8133
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I dream the programme alive for some decades
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Old April 23rd, 2016, 07:31 AM   #8134
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Probably safe to say EK kept the program alive...
Let's hope QF take on their remaining 8 deferred frames & not cancel the order...
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Old April 24th, 2016, 07:34 PM   #8135
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Why can't big airlines like Cathay/ Japan Airlines/ Air China/Southern/Eastern and the like identify which routes + times are in highest demand and deploy an A380 to absorb the demand which will go to other airlines?

yes, Cathay may have 3/4 flights to Vancouver every day, but surely there must be a flight which is always full and hence customers choose another airline with similar time?
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Old April 24th, 2016, 09:28 PM   #8136
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Cathay said their model was frequency based, EG they believe they make more money by flying to EG Vancouver 3 times a day with a 300 seat 777 ( net 900 seats) than they would with 2 x 450 seater A380 flights ( also net 900 seats) . This is common full service airline dilemma if you have a lot of business travellers as a % of your overall PAX.

Many other large and well run carriers found themselves in this dilemma and went for frequency in the end.

Many of Cathays long established regional full service competitors, particularly Malaysian and Thai and Qantas, are having problems filling their A380s and Singapore too to an extent.
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Old April 25th, 2016, 10:39 AM   #8137
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...but then comes along EK with multiple daily frequencies with an A380 to many cities around the globe.

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Cathay said their model was frequency based, EG they believe they make more money by flying to EG Vancouver 3 times a day with a 300 seat 777 ( net 900 seats) than they would with 2 x 450 seater A380 flights ( also net 900 seats) . This is common full service airline dilemma if you have a lot of business travellers as a % of your overall PAX.

Many other large and well run carriers found themselves in this dilemma and went for frequency in the end.

Many of Cathays long established regional full service competitors, particularly Malaysian and Thai and Qantas, are having problems filling their A380s and Singapore too to an extent.
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Old April 25th, 2016, 11:59 AM   #8138
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...but then comes along EK .
EK were the first flag carrier set up to move people THROUGH their country not TO their country.
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Old April 25th, 2016, 12:12 PM   #8139
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EK were the first flag carrier set up to move people THROUGH their country not TO their country.
I think Singapore were doing that way before Emirates.

It's amazing how EK can pack 5 SJ flights a day to Heathrow with a 6th rotation on it's way, and not to mention an additional 3 flights to Gatwick.

Bangkok is EK's next biggest SJ multiple day offering, and even that route is getting an additional flight.

Let's see what happens when they receive all of their A380's.
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Old April 25th, 2016, 12:19 PM   #8140
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I think Singapore were doing that way before Emirates.

It's amazing how EK can pack 5 SJ flights a day to Heathrow with a 6th rotation on it's way, and not to mention an additional 3 flights to Gatwick. .
4th on the way to Gatwick, only a 777 wide though.
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