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Old May 1st, 2016, 01:25 AM   #8141
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Turkish Air Revives A380 Plan With Malaysia Jets Back on Agenda

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Turkish Airlines has revived its interest in the Airbus Group SE A380 superjumbo as it examines options for serving China, India and some European markets, the carrier’s marketing chief said.

Ultra-large jetliners are likely to be required to serve East Asia in particular amid capacity limitations there, Chief Marketing Officer Ahmet Olmustur said in an interview in Dubai on Tuesday, adding that Boeing Co.’s 747-8 jumbo is also under consideration and that the company could even take both models.

Turkish Air, which last year walked away from a plan to lease a batch of A380s from Malaysian Airlines, is once again looking at offers from carriers including Malaysian to rent superjumbos, Olmustur said. Otherwise it would prefer to buy outright if Airbus offers a revamped “Neo” version of the aircraft, he said.

“We do have intentions for the A380 but the new generation is coming so we have to be sure which is cost effective,” the executive said. The airline wouldn’t want more than 10 of the planes and the 747’s cargo-carrying ability might make it better suited to destinations such as Hong Kong, he said.
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Old May 1st, 2016, 04:24 AM   #8142
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Although designed as a premium passenger aircraft is there Cargo versions of the A380 ? It would have a large volume capacity over a Boeing 747...then volume and weight have to add up.
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Old May 1st, 2016, 08:13 AM   #8143
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Although designed as a premium passenger aircraft is there Cargo versions of the A380 ? It would have a large volume capacity over a Boeing 747...then volume and weight have to add up.
The A380F was planned and several were ordered, but sales were so anemic that Airbus cancelled it.
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Old May 1st, 2016, 12:56 PM   #8144
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Although designed as a premium passenger aircraft is there Cargo versions of the A380 ? It would have a large volume capacity over a Boeing 747...then volume and weight have to add up.
The upper deck floor is of structural importance so they can't just build a version with a single huge cargo hold. Loading cargo on the upper floor would require new equipment and new procedures which makes incorporating a cargo version of the A380 in a fleet and supporting it on more than a few airports rather expensive. I'm pretty sure these are important arguments against it, from a business case point of view.
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Old May 1st, 2016, 01:59 PM   #8145
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Turkish won't get an A380 before 2018 IMO unless IAG and one other carrier start to mop up second hand frames and force their hand.

One the new Istanbul airport comes on stream in 3 years....everything changes.
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Old May 1st, 2016, 02:21 PM   #8146
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read the article again.
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Old May 1st, 2016, 02:27 PM   #8147
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read the article again.
I'll repeat. No A380 deliveries to Turkish before 2018 in my opinion. They are not gonna take whatever is available..... 4 or 6 off Malaysian..... in 2016.

Meanwhile you read this.
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Old May 1st, 2016, 02:53 PM   #8148
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If Turkish or IAG go into the SH market they will likely look at 2 class planes not 3 class planes and 500 seats plus. Here are ALL the options.

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Old May 2nd, 2016, 02:53 PM   #8149
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Well you read it twice, but did not manage to focus on the important statement made by the turkish guy, problems of capacity in Asia, not in Istambul, make them think that the A380 is interesting.
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Old May 2nd, 2016, 03:25 PM   #8150
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I think 3 or 4 airlines ( Turkish IAG and some others) will find the A380 'interesting' on the second hand market in the next few years but there just ain't that many of them to go around.

Turkish are the second airline to indicate that they would like an A380neo and Turkish will have the biggest airport in Europe ( even bigger than DBX) to play with in 3-4 years time.

But none of this is quite enough to save the A380, only a production rate limitation agreed by Emirates/Airbus will keep it alive near the 2020s. The Amadeo overhang is almost a years production alone and if/when that is cancelled ....not even 2020, probably early 2019. Irans order, who knows. Honest. Virgin will take A350s instead, another 3 months production curtailed.

If there is a global recession in 2016/2017 thats it. Bye bye A380.
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Old May 2nd, 2016, 11:03 PM   #8151
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Turkish Airlines has already responded to the article, they say that are looking at both A380 and 747-8. As they have done for years now, so no news there.

They also stated that several parties have pitched their A380s to be leased to TK. Which is also not really news. I think that with all the articles that TK is looking to lease planes all the time all the airlines / leasing companies that are looking for deal automatically turn to TK. But that doesn't mean that TK is actually interested, especially when it comes to planes that are not in their fleet.

In other words, the article packages a message that have come out of TK for years as a new interest. But in reality there was nothing new to see or hear. When TK is ready to order the A380 they will do, and if they won't they won't. With the growth of the airline it sure is possible that they will go ahead and buy the A380, but it's not something that they have to do.

I actually think it's more remarkable that the airline has not yet ordered any 787s and/or A350s.
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Old May 3rd, 2016, 11:16 AM   #8152
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Old May 6th, 2016, 08:51 AM   #8153
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I'm not surprised if Turkish is interested in the A380-800. If the current production version can achieve essentially full-load flights from Istanbul to New York City westbound on a year-round basis, they may buy them, especially since Istanbul one of Europe's biggest tourist destinations.
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Old May 6th, 2016, 02:37 PM   #8154
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I'm not surprised if Turkish is interested in the A380-800. If the current production version can achieve essentially full-load flights from Istanbul to New York City westbound on a year-round basis, they may buy them, especially since Istanbul one of Europe's biggest tourist destinations.
I'd say it's just a matter of time...
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I'd say it's just a matter of time...
It's just a matter of time until TK place a widebody order, but A350 or 777X seems a lot more likely than A380 or 747-8.
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Old May 8th, 2016, 04:37 PM   #8156
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Turkish might also be more interested in the A380neo, and since the neo isn't happening anytime soon....
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Old May 10th, 2016, 10:04 PM   #8157
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Emirates hints at buying more A380s

http://khaleejtimes.com/emirates-wil...ith-new-models
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Investec raises $1bn for Emirates Airline to lease Airbus A380-800 aircraft

latest Update: Investec raises $1bn for Emirates Airline to lease Airbus A380-800

Global specialist banking and asset management group Investec Bank has raised $1bn to finance leases for UAE-based Emirates Airlines' four Airbus A380-800 aircraft. Raised by the aviation finance arm of Investec, the fund has facilitated the delivery and sale and leaseback of four A380-800s, which include 2013 and 2016 models.



Investec has acquired the 2013 aircraft from Aviation Finance Company (AFC) holding company Stellwagen Finance, which is involved in making investments in aviation businesses, financing new aircraft and create transportation infrastructure.
The deliveries of the 2016 models are directly performed by Airbus.

Investec stated that it has solely arranged both the financing and leasing of the transaction, in which financings are provided by banks and institutional investors across Middle East, Europe and Asia. The company has also used Islamic financing on two of the deliveries.



The latest deal is expected to provide opportunity for investors for a 12-year period on brand new aircraft with top-tier credit. Investec Aviation Finance co-head Alok Wadhawan said: "The past 12 months has seen Investec Aviation achieve a number of important milestones.

"The closing of the $1bn A380 aircraft deal with Emirates highlights our expertise and deep sector knowledge, and the quality and range of financing products and bespoke solutions we can provide to airlines and lessors."
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Old May 20th, 2016, 08:08 PM   #8159
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EK received their 78th A380 today reg number A6-EOZ.
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Old May 22nd, 2016, 08:29 AM   #8160
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Maybe a A380 fanboy was not happy with his comments regarding the end of the project
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