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Old June 29th, 2016, 04:58 AM   #8221
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PARIS, June 27 (Reuters) - As Western planemakers seek to finalise lucrative deals to sell some 200 jets to Iran, doubts are growing over the sale of a dozen Airbus A380 superjumbo jets to the country's national flag carrier, several people familiar with deal said.

Iran's return to the international market for new aircraft after decades making do with an antiquated fleet is one of the biggest business opportunities opened by the lifting of sanctions after a deal to rein in its nuclear programme.

The order for the double-decker superjumbo jetliners grabbed attention in January as part of a provisional deal for 118 Airbus jets worth $27 billion signed in Paris in the presence of Iranian President Hassan Rouhani.

The inclusion of the world's largest jetliner was hailed as a symbol of thawing relations and a sign of Iran's determination to compete economically with political rivals on the Arab side of the Gulf that fly the jet.

The order also threw a lifeline to the A380 itself, following a slump in orders that has left the future of one of Europe's highest profile industrial projects in doubt.

But people familiar with the deal say there are increasing signs that Tehran is having second thoughts about whether to take delivery.

"We always made clear this is an option," an Iranian official told Reuters, asking not to be identified.

"It is possible to switch to other models," he added.

An industry source familiar with the region said Iran was committed to the rest of the order, but was less interested in taking the A380s, ordered in part for political reasons.

Another Iranian official said main obstacles to completing the full order were remaining U.S. financial sanctions.

Others said the A380 part of the order, worth $5.2 billion at list prices, can be cancelled or amended without penalty under the contract before Airbus starts building the jets.

One industry source acknowledged "the A380 part is less solid" than the remaining 106 aircraft, despite the fact that Airbus had pressed Tehran to include the slow-selling model.
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Old June 30th, 2016, 01:52 AM   #8222
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I don't think they'll actually order them. I just don't see where Iran has the need for 500+ passengers per flight on a single route.

They'll likely end up converting to A350 or A330neos.

I don't see them taking delivery of the new 747s either. Makes a lot more sense to buy 787s instead.

The only way I can see them taking delivery of either A380 or 747-8 is for a VIP transport.
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Old June 30th, 2016, 11:19 AM   #8223
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Boeing Co. is proposing to stretch its largest 777 model to create a twin-engine behemoth aimed at delivering a knock-out blow to Airbus Group SE’s struggling A380 superjumbo jet, said people familiar with its plans.
The U.S. planemaker has approached several carriers about the plane it calls the 777-10X, including Emirates Airline, the world’s largest operator of both Boeing’s 777 and Airbus’s double-decker aircraft, said the people, who asked not to be identified because talks are private.
The proposed model would carry about 450 travelers, sharpening its rivalry with the A380, two of the people said. To do so, Boeing would stretch the frame of its 777-9 to squeeze in about four extra rows of seats. The -9, whose debut is slated for decade’s end, will be the first twin-engine model to encroach on jumbo territory by hauling more than 400 passengers.

“We are always evaluating technologies, airplane configurations and market needs,” said Doug Alder, a Boeing spokesman. “While no decisions have been made, we will continue to study 777X derivatives and seek customer input to develop products that provide the most value for customers.”
An Emirates representative couldn’t immediately be reached for comment.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articl...irbus-a380-jet
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Old June 30th, 2016, 01:27 PM   #8224
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Whenever these kind of articles come with grand statements like "aimed at delivering a knock-out blow to Airbus..." you really have to realize that it's unclear who made those statements. Was it Boeing, was it the unidentified "people", or was it the journalist writing the article.

At the end of the day both Airbus and Boeing are always talking about their customers about possible developments of their product range. Making the fact that Boeing is talking to Emirates about the further possibilities of the 777 a non news event. And the prospect of a stretched version alone is also not that newsworthy anymore without turning it into an A vs B story.
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Old June 30th, 2016, 08:32 PM   #8225
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Whenever these kind of articles come with grand statements like "aimed at delivering a knock-out blow to Airbus..." you really have to realize that it's unclear who made those statements. Was it Boeing, was it the unidentified "people", or was it the journalist writing the article.
If it's not attributed, it's the journalist writing the article.
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Old July 8th, 2016, 11:56 AM   #8226
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Airbus Is Running Out of Buyers for Its Enormous A380s.

Orders for the superjumbo are drying up as airlines shift to more efficient planes.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articl...enormous-a380s

Axing the A380 outright is hard to do. Besides the embarrassment of admitting defeat on the program, Airbus would need to write off factories across Europe and redeploy thousands of workers. Airlines would see the resale value of their A380s plummet, and the plane’s demise would leave airports worldwide questioning the wisdom of facilities constructed to accommodate it; Dubai, for instance, built a dedicated terminal for the A380.
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Old July 10th, 2016, 03:19 PM   #8227
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Old July 12th, 2016, 10:04 PM   #8228
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A380 Airbus plan Production Throttle to 12 a year/ 1 a month from 2018

http://www.latribune.fr/entreprises-...is-586175.html

Looks like Tim Clarks wish that she be kept alive somehow is coming to pass.
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Old July 13th, 2016, 02:05 AM   #8229
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Furthermore they say they will not lose (any more) money when they only deliver 20 frames in 2017.

http://www.bbc.com/news/business-36779901

But 12 frames a year, that has to be loss making unless they can give all their sub contractors some extra balancing A320/A330 work to replace the A380 production gap.
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Old July 13th, 2016, 04:26 AM   #8230
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Finally, this ugly jet is dying. 779X-10 is the future.
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Old July 13th, 2016, 04:47 AM   #8231
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But 12 frames a year, that has to be loss making unless they can give all their sub contractors some extra balancing A320/A330 work to replace the A380 production gap.
At 12 frames per year, Airbus and the subcontractors will lose money. The only reasons to run the line at 12 frames per year rather than shutting it down are 1) an expectation of future orders above about 30 per year or 2) not having to admit they were wrong to build it in the first place.
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Old July 13th, 2016, 11:05 AM   #8232
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He insist that the airframer will continue to invest in the jet, and adds: “The A380 is here to stay.”

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/ar...output-427356/
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Old July 13th, 2016, 11:20 AM   #8233
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In detailing the production cuts, Airbus sought to indicate that all was not lost for the A380 program, and that the plane would effectively be kept on life support until aviation markets expand in line with its forecasts. Workers would be assigned to other, more promising programs within Airbus.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articl...-12-as-of-2018
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Old July 13th, 2016, 06:54 PM   #8234
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The only way to make the A380 competitive with the 777-10X is to replace the 80 meter metal wings with 90+ meter CFRP wings (with folding wingtips to fit into 80 meter gates) plus newer engines. It is difficult to imagine that Airbus would invest that much money into an aircraft that has already lost about 25 billion euro.
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why the need for larger wings? afaik stretched body versions were planned with the same (for the current 800s oversized) wings?!
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why the need for larger wings? afaik stretched body versions were planned with the same (for the current 800s oversized) wings?!
The A380's wings don't need to be larger i.e. they don't need more wing area. The problem is that they are inefficient because they are short-and-stubby for their size. Longer, thinner wings are more efficient.
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Back in the day the wing was designed to handle larger versions of the A380. It's like the A320 wing on the A318, it's just to large, and heavy on that air frame. Now when you use the same wing on the A321 you start getting some great economics.
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Now when you use the same wing on the A321 you start getting some great economics.
Yes, the A380's wing area of 845 square meters is oversized for the A380, but that wing will never be efficient on any aircraft because its aspect ratio is only 7.5:1 which compares unfavorably to other airliners which generally have wing aspect ratios between 9:1 and 13:1. Higher is better. A new CFRP wing with an area of about 750 square meters and an unfolded span of 90+ meters would greatly improve aerodynamic efficiency and reduce weight at the same time.
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A new CFRP wing with an area of about 750 square meters and an unfolded span of 90+ meters would greatly improve aerodynamic efficiency and reduce weight at the same time.
But as you said before at 90m long the wings also need folding wingtips to fit into existing A380 air gates. The 777X will also have folding wingtips, again to fit into existing airport stands that can take a current 777 or 747-8 .
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Old July 14th, 2016, 03:47 PM   #8240
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90m wings can't be even if it is folding. It's not just the gates it will have to fit into. It will also have to fit within taxiway-taxiway and taxiway-runway spacing. So you mean it will have to takeoff and land with folded wings then extending them in-flight? The current A380 wing is optimized for the -900. Redesigning a new wing for the -800 is not worth it.

Folding wings on a 777x is acceptable because it can use category E gates (same as current 777, 787, A330, etc.), but it will have to have category F requirements (same as A380) during taxi, takeoff and landing when the wings are unfolded. For the A380, there is no category G. The largest airports are only designed for the maximum category F, except probably for Dubai Al Maktoum Airport. Other than that, no going beyond 80m at all.

The An-225 got a pass because it is a one-off special ops plane.
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