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Old August 14th, 2016, 10:12 PM   #8321
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Even if they purchase a380s.
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Old August 14th, 2016, 10:27 PM   #8322
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And if Iran Air and/or Turkish Airlines goes through with their A380 purchases?
Turkish Airlines has been looking at the A380 for years now, they also have several times denied being close to an order. I believe that they were the airline that Airbus was talking about last year for an order for 20 A380s. You don't announce a production rate of 1 A380 per month if an order for 20 A380s is just around the corner. Politics could also play a role here as the relations between Turkey and the EU has turned sour recently, especially after the failed coup.

The Iran Air order was already downplayed as it came out that it was actually added as a possible follow up order on request from Airbus. Now it turns out that this whole Iran order is more difficult to finalize the A380 even becomes more unrealistic.

I personally think Airbus will keep the A380 line going for as long as possible, so I do think it will be still in production after 2020. In the meantime Airbus will continue to work hard to make a business case for the A380neo. They need more airlines behind it then just Emirates. If it takes too long, or if there aren't enough airlines they will finally decide to terminate the A380 production.
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Old August 15th, 2016, 08:49 PM   #8323
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Stating confidently that "the A380 is here to stay", Bregier has assured that the rate cut is temporary: "I think if we do that we'll be able to sustain the A380 at this low level for a few years before ramping up again," he says.

Flight Ascend Consultancy chief Rob Morris says Airbus is having to deal with the dynamics of the evolving market in the widebody sector: "The A380's economics are competitive with the current Boeing 777-300ER, but the 777-9 resets the equilibrium and the A380 as designed today is threatened," he says.

"The challenge for Airbus today is to maintain the aircraft in production for several more years while developing a next-generation A380 which can apply new engine, materials, systems and aerodynamic technologies to reset the economic equilibrium in its favour. If this is towards the middle of the next decade it will also likely see more increased demand for A380-sized aircraft. But maintaining profitability at one a month with a declining and increasingly concentrated backlog will be a not-insignificant challenge."

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Old August 16th, 2016, 08:23 PM   #8324
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Stating confidently that "the A380 is here to stay", Bregier has assured that the rate cut is temporary: "I think if we do that we'll be able to sustain the A380 at this low level for a few years before ramping up again," he says.
There will never been any ramping up again without significant upgrades, especially if a 777-10 is built.
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Old August 17th, 2016, 08:32 AM   #8325
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Let's set aside Airbus' attempts to spin the news and be clear on what the reduction in the production rate to 12/year means: Emirates are no longer in any hurry to take delivery of the frames they ordered. If Emirates wanted A380s the way they did several years ago (at a rate of at least a dozen per year) then Airbus would not have cut the production rate so low.

Emirates placed firm orders for 150 777X, which will become the backbone of their fleet. The A380 will be relegated to operations between Dubai and slot-restricted airports. Emirates demanded a slow-down in the rate of A380 deliveries so that they could evaluate the 777X against the A380 in actual (not just projected) operations to inform the decision about whether or not they will take delivery of the last batch of A380s they ordered or cancel them.
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Emirates placed firm orders for 150 777X, which will become the backbone of their fleet. The A380 will be relegated to operations between Dubai and slot-restricted airports. Emirates demanded a slow-down in the rate of A380 deliveries so that they could evaluate the 777X against the A380 in actual (not just projected) operations to inform the decision about whether or not they will take delivery of the last batch of A380s they ordered or cancel them.
It would make sense for Emirates to cancel their A380 orders if Boeing does build the 777-10.

They're already phasing out their last A330s and A340s. They're phasing out the 777-200 and 777-300s. So that leaves them with a fleet of 777-300ERs which also will be gradually phased out for 777-8s and 777-9s.

It would make sense to then also phase out the A380 in favor of the 777-10 and have an all 777X fleet.
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Old August 17th, 2016, 07:58 PM   #8327
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It would make sense to then also phase out the A380 in favor of the 777-10 and have an all 777X fleet.
Save that they are also in the market for a 787-10 if it has enough power on hot takeoffs....or else A350s
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Save that they are also in the market for a 787-10 if it has enough power on hot takeoffs....or else A350s
They haven't ordered a single A350, in fact they cancelled their original order for 70.

I doubt they'll order any A350 to replace the A380. It's too small of a plane. The maximum seating they'd get out of an A350-1000 is around 380 in a 2-class configuration. Even if Airbus made a larger variant, it would probably seat a maximum of 420 passengers, less if they go for 3-class variant

Contrast that to the 777-9 which seats 400 in a 3-class variant. A 777-10 variant could seat up to 450 passengers, almost A380 capacity but with 2 fewer engines.
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Emirates won't cancel their remaining A380s, that's nonsense.

Their current A380 order will already be fully delivered before a proposed 777-10 becomes available. If this stretched 777 it's going to replace the A380 it will actually mean that the A380s will stay longer in the Emirates fleet compared to their current fleet planning.
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What is currently happened to the A380s originally ordered by Skymark?
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We don't know the aviation market of 2020-30 and beyond. Its entirely possible that there will be huge demand for 1000 seater all economy aircraft by then.
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3 go to ANA in 2019
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It is a time for Oasis-Bangkok to refresh the thread!
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Emirates won't cancel their remaining A380s, that's nonsense.

Their current A380 order will already be fully delivered before a proposed 777-10 becomes available. If this stretched 777 it's going to replace the A380 it will actually mean that the A380s will stay longer in the Emirates fleet compared to their current fleet planning.
I'm not suggesting they will cancel their A380 orders, I'm just saying it could make a lot of sense for them to phase out their A380s in favor of the 777-10 once that comes into production and rationalize their fleet to all 777X.

They could add in a dozen or so new A380 orders at the tail end of to smooth the transition to the 777-10.
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Old August 19th, 2016, 07:59 PM   #8335
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You didn't say that, but others did.


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The 2 that were already built by Airbus are going to Emirates.
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The 2 that were already built by Airbus are going to Emirates.
And the third one (where the parts were arriving) has disappeared ( msn 185) into other A380s.
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It would make sense for Emirates to cancel their A380 orders if Boeing does build the 777-10.
No, I don't mean the 777-10X. Airbus cut back production of the A380 to 12/year because Emirates are considering using the 777-9X on routes which they had previously planned for the A380. In other words, Emirates told Airbus: "Slow down! We might not be taking so many A380s after all."

If it will cost less to fly 3x daily 777-9X than 2x A380, then that's an easy decision for the airlines.
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Airbus is slowing down the production in 2018, the 1st 777-9 will be delivered in 2020.

Emirates has also already confirmed that it won't effect their delivery schedule.

http://www.thenational.ae/business/a...uction-cutback


And it also makes sense, Airbus still has 60 on order, 2 of those are for the Skymark frames. From of the 58 outstanding new production frames they will take 10 this year, if they will again take 20 in 2017 there will only be 28 left for delivery in 2018. With a full production with no other customers left it would mean that the backlog would dry up completely in 2018.

We all know that Emirates is running out of airspace and airport capacity to grow at the same rates as the last years. Their growth is already slowing down, a process of consolidation has already started. It's not an issue for them if they go back to 10 to 12 yearly deliveries or less. Keeping the oldest A380s longer in the fleet then originally planned if there's no decline. They could also order more A380s to replace the oldest A380s, but they don't need 12 A380 per year to do that. The 777-9s will come in 2020 and will 1st start to replace the oldest 77Ws.

From 2023 when they will move to the new airport there could be another serious growth spurt. Then it will be interesting if there will be an A380neo on the market or not.
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Old August 21st, 2016, 01:05 AM   #8339
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From 2023 when they will move to the new airport there could be another serious growth spurt. Then it will be interesting if there will be an A380neo on the market or not.
I think that Dubai cannot afford the new airport right now and they might settle for the one they have for much longer than 2023. Just an observation.

Emirates can grow a third daily slot on some routes which means takeoffs in the Dubai midday sun as well as the 2 distinct morning and evening peaks they have now.

Thats why they are delaying the 787 vs a350 decision as they are unsure the 787 will get off the runway fully loaded on a 50c+ summers day. So I think a lot of these daytime routes will be lower capacity non A380 ones.

But will they need a new airport soon, I am unsure they will. Soggy global demand for wides is embedded and new orders fairly scarce for 2 years now...and a lot of the modern wides deployed to date can avoid the ME and fly direct.
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