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Old September 13th, 2016, 06:26 AM   #8381
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May I ask if you work for Boeing?
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Old September 13th, 2016, 06:42 AM   #8382
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And also because they either need the capacity or they want to consolidate mutiple flights together. With the current list of US Air Carriers (and their current networks*) I don't see any of them ordering a plane bigger than a A350-1000/777-300ER/777-9X* in the near future. In fact the only chance a US carrier will ever operate a A380 would be if their is further consolidation among US Air Carriers (For example UA/AA), that way they would be able to consolidate flights at shared hubs (Such as in New York or Los Angeles) to bring about some of the savings such a merger would bring. Which in turn might mean that some flights might end up needing an A380 to meet demand.

*Due the fact the likes of United, American and Delta have mutiple hubs which they can funnel passengers (O&D or connecting) to lets say Tokyo, Sao Paulo or London, they have less of a need for an A380. European Airlines such as BA or even Lufthansa do not have this advantage since they are funnling their passengers to New York, Tokyo, Sao Paulo though 1-2 hubs.

**Although to be fair, American already operates the 777-300ER and United will soon operate both both the 777-300ER and A350-1000 (while they already operate the 747-400). Likewise Delta might end up ordering the A350-1000 in the future (although it is replacing their 747-400s with A350-900s)
Excellent summary. The 777 and A350 are workhorses.
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Old September 13th, 2016, 08:17 AM   #8383
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May I ask if you work for Boeing?
No, but I did a project for United about 20 years ago, related to their purchase of A319s and A320s.
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Old September 13th, 2016, 06:33 PM   #8384
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United bought their 747s for the range not for the capacity.
If you are talking about the 747-400 then yes I would imagine range would be a factor in why they bought the plane (in fact it is perhaps part of the reason why they ended up buying too many). However I still think that capacity was another factor in why they bought the plane, especially in the days when they depended on the NRT Hub to fly passengers from their hubs (in America) to destinations thoughout East Asia.

The thing is though, despite all but giving up using their NRT Hub (if you can still call it as such) as a way of flying American passengers to East Asia (in favour of either flying directly to addtional East Asian destinations or via ANA and yes despite withdrawing half their 747-400 fleet of late their recent orders seem to indicate that they still need a 747 sized plane after they withdraw their remaining 747s.

In fact if they do end up taking all the 49 A350-1000s and 14 777-300ERs in their order book, they would virtually double the number of 747-sized planes in their fleet. Which is remarkable since they now have more hubs than ever to direct passnegers onto their intercontinential routes.

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As soon as smaller widebodies became available with the 747's range, United (and most other airlines) stopped buying them. When Boeing surveyed their 747 customers, 60% bought them for their range, 10% bought them for their capacity, and 30% bought some for range and some for capacity.
Generally I would agree, once the 777 came into play orders/deliveries of the 747 began to decline while the launch of the 777-300ER and A380 have bought about its eventual demise (well soon enough). However in the case of United they still received 747s after they began to get the 777 from 1995 onward and only stopped getting them after Spring 2000.
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Old September 13th, 2016, 08:01 PM   #8385
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The 747 was a creature of the cold war when a lot of routes were go arounds. The a380 can fly direct.
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Old September 14th, 2016, 02:06 PM   #8386
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Singapore Airlines Won't Extend First A380 Lease

http://aviationweek.com/commercial-a...bus-a380-lease

Fair use excerpt: "The decision is a major blow for Airbus, which has been desperately trying to promote the aircraft. The SIA move sends a highly unwelcome signal to the market: one of the world’s most famous airlines has doubts about the aircraft’s viability in its network."
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Old September 14th, 2016, 05:03 PM   #8387
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Yes, this was expected though. I think that SIG need to do a C or D check first and that these are the ones IAG intimated they _might_ pick up second hand earlier this year.
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Old September 14th, 2016, 05:50 PM   #8388
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Yes, this was expected though. I think that SIG need to do a C or D check first and that these are the ones IAG intimated they _might_ pick up second hand earlier this year.
I have about this possible buyout of "used" A380 (or rather A380's with Trent Engines), if they do take on the 5 used Singapore Airlines examples then they will become the 3rd largest operator of the type. However I would not be surprised if they are also interested in the Malaysian examples as well, especially since they are still only 3-4 years old, which are only slightly older than BA's current fleet of A380s.
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Old September 14th, 2016, 06:03 PM   #8389
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However I would not be surprised if they are also interested in the Malaysian examples as well, especially since they are still only 3-4 years old, which are only slightly older than BA's current fleet of A380s.
Or Thai, another RR fleet. BA DID deliberately say "5 or 6"
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Old September 17th, 2016, 02:51 PM   #8390
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Poested by Amin03 in the Iranian thread.

http://www.aviationiran.com/2016/09/...ran-next-week/

The 12 x A380 are "optional"
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Old September 17th, 2016, 09:02 PM   #8391
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Or Thai, another RR fleet. BA DID deliberately say "5 or 6"
Has Thai expressed any interest in withdrawing the A380s though?
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Old September 17th, 2016, 09:03 PM   #8392
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if it became reality, I think they would look like this
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Old September 18th, 2016, 11:52 AM   #8393
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if it became reality, I think they would look like this
I wish Iran Air comes up with a new livery in line with the new era as sanctions are lifted, and the massive orders that came with it. But I hope this new livery will pay homage to their extremely gorgeous logo.
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Old September 21st, 2016, 02:32 PM   #8394
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Airlines Sending Clear Signals About A380's Future

http://aviationweek.com/commercial-a...t-a380s-future

Fair use excerpt: "Decisions such as the SIA return are particularly damaging to the airframers because of the signal they send to other airlines. And SIA is not the first to alter its A380 plans:

▪ Air France is not taking the final two A380s it has on order.

▪ Lufthansa has reduced its commitment by one aircraft.

▪ Qantas Airways does not want to take the eight in the backlog.

▪ Virgin Atlantic does not want the six it bought a decade and a half ago.

The market is speaking, and it is sending a painful message: We are no longer interested."
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Old September 21st, 2016, 02:52 PM   #8395
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http://aviationweek.com/commercial-a...t-a380s-future

Fair use excerpt: "Decisions such as the SIA return are particularly damaging to the airframers because of the signal they send to other airlines. And SIA is not the first to alter its A380 plans:

▪ Air France is not taking the final two A380s it has on order.

▪ Lufthansa has reduced its commitment by one aircraft.

▪ Qantas Airways does not want to take the eight in the backlog.

▪ Virgin Atlantic does not want the six it bought a decade and a half ago.

The market is speaking, and it is sending a painful message: We are no longer interested."
There's a slow down in demand everywhere, and then you have Emirates who are willing to purchase 100-200 more air frames, catch is they want an upgraded model.

Qantas also never took their 777's they showed interest in the start of the program.
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There's a slow down in demand everywhere, and then you have Emirates who are willing to purchase 100-200 more air frames, catch is they want an upgraded model.

Qantas also never took their 777's they showed interest in the start of the program.
The widebody market is tough all over, but only the 747 and A380 are imminently at risk of being shut down in the next few years. Even the 767 and A330 are much more secure for the next five or so years.
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Old September 21st, 2016, 04:13 PM   #8397
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The widebody market is tough all over, but only the 747 and A380 are imminently at risk of being shut down in the next few years. Even the 767 and A330 are much more secure for the next five or so years.
Part of Airbus's new cost cutting reshuffle is getting the A380 problems/cost's down.
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Old September 21st, 2016, 05:54 PM   #8398
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Part of Airbus's new cost cutting reshuffle is getting the A380 problems/cost's down.
It's more specific than that. Originally, the A380 production line was optimized for a production rate of 45 frames per year. In other words, profitability would be maximized (or losses minimized) at 45 frames per year. About 10 years ago, when Airbus realized that sales were never going to support a production rate of 45 per year, they re-engineered the production line (including renegotiating with suppliers) to optimize the production rate for 30 frames per year. What Airbus are doing now is re-optimizing the production to minimize losses at 12 frames per year. That involves seriously difficult renegotiation with suppliers.
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Old September 23rd, 2016, 05:43 PM   #8399
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Iran could take 12 A380,but wich ones ? how many are assambled but without costumers?
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Old September 23rd, 2016, 06:19 PM   #8400
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how many are assambled but without costumers?
The 2 Skymark ones...unless ANA is taking them.
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