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Old December 4th, 2016, 07:54 AM   #8441
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The age of the super jumbo passenger planes is about to be over
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Old December 4th, 2016, 04:10 PM   #8442
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forever? I dont think so. Maybe for now, but in 10 to 20 years there might be a comeback. air traffic is growing so fast.
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Old December 4th, 2016, 07:54 PM   #8443
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Old December 6th, 2016, 05:42 AM   #8444
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forever? I dont think so. Maybe for now, but in 10 to 20 years there might be a comeback. air traffic is growing so fast.
Air traffic growing will just mean the end of hub and spoke networks. Direct long haul flights between secondary markets is becoming more and more feasible and economical due to increased demand and more efficient aircraft like the A350 and 787.
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Old December 6th, 2016, 02:17 PM   #8445
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but there wont be airports with 10+ runways and and 200+ gates anytime soon to accomodate thousends of middle sized planes a day. im not saying there will be thousends of superjumbos built in the next 10 to 20 years, but hundreds would still be realistic. the big world cities will always be the main destinations for huge loads of air traffic. and on these routes it would still make sense to use big planes.
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Old December 7th, 2016, 06:34 PM   #8446
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but there wont be airports with 10+ runways and and 200+ gates anytime soon to accomodate thousends of middle sized planes a day. im not saying there will be thousends of superjumbos built in the next 10 to 20 years, but hundreds would still be realistic. the big world cities will always be the main destinations for huge loads of air traffic. and on these routes it would still make sense to use big planes.
You won't need airports with "10+ runways and and 200+ gates" when you can do direct flights between secondary markets. That's the whole point I was making. With expanded demand and a lower cost per passenger-mile, routes between secondary markets become economically attractive and reduce dependence on the hub-and-spoke network most major airlines currently operate.

For example, right now if you want to fly Berlin to Boston you have to either change planes in Frankurt, Paris, London or Zurich. With increased demand and planes like the A350 and 787, airlines can profitably start direct flights between the two. That means you don't need additionally capacity at FRA or CDG or LHR.

Take Frankfurt as an example. 55% of passengers are transfers. A lot of that traffic can be diverted to secondary airports such as Munich, Hamburg, Berlin, and Dusseldorf with direct flights to final destinations.

Some of the busiest routes to/from Frankfurt are from domestic airports that could in the future have direct fights to many destinations:Berlin (1), Hamburg (2), Munich (6)
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Old December 7th, 2016, 06:47 PM   #8447
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lets see it in the next years
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Old December 7th, 2016, 07:35 PM   #8448
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lets see it in the next years
You can see it now Zaz. Of the 5 Euro Super Hubs...

IST CDG FRA shrinking

AMS Growing strongly.

LHR Growing weakly.

Nunber 6 MAD growing healthily.

Tier 2-2.5 Airports like MAN DUB Brum MUN BAR growing @ 10% + per annum with a lot of 7x7 or A3xx routes in the mix.
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Old December 9th, 2016, 01:17 AM   #8449
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Some photos from a recent flight on the Airbus A380-800.
These pictures don't belong in this thread. Non-news worthy posts like this go in the A380 photos thread.
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Old December 9th, 2016, 04:30 PM   #8450
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These pictures don't belong in this thread. Non-news worthy posts like this go in the A380 photos thread.
So, essentially - as admin - you just deleted by text and pictures.
And then instead of moving it to another thread, I need to rewrite my trip report, because I do not have the source code (html code) of my trip report anymore, because you have deleted it.
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Old December 9th, 2016, 07:29 PM   #8451
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So, essentially - as admin - you just deleted by text and pictures.
And then instead of moving it to another thread, I need to rewrite my trip report, because I do not have the source code (html code) of my trip report anymore, because you have deleted it.
I didn't delete anything. I asked the admins to move it into the picture thread, where it belongs.

In the future if you don't things deleted or moved, post them in the correct thread. It's not very difficult.
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Old December 9th, 2016, 08:03 PM   #8452
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I asked the admins to move it into the picture thread, where it belongs.
But where is my posting now?
I cannot find it.

Its not there:

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showth...1909909&page=3

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In the future if you don't things deleted or moved, post them in the correct thread. It's not very difficult.
This is fine. I was reading your rules and did not see this rule: http://www.skyscrapercity.com/announ...php?f=12&a=802

The admins put it here?

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/announ...p?f=129&a=1670
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Old December 10th, 2016, 12:44 AM   #8453
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The age of the super jumbo passenger planes is about to be over
It's a shame, but I fear you could be right, boring twin jets everywhere..
Although having more direct city pair options is highly favourable...
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Old December 10th, 2016, 01:24 AM   #8454
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Well, considering the the largest 777 will have almost as much passenger capacity as an A380 and the same as the 747, the age of superjumbos is hardly over.

Its just the four engine variants that will become (likely) obsolete in the future.

Once A380 and 747 is gone, its entirely possible that Airbus and Boeing will develop twin engine aircraft with 500 to 600 pax capacity. Who knows.
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Emirates Ends A380 Delivery Standoff After Rolls Agrees to Fund Fix

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Emirates, the biggest long-haul airline, said it struck a deal to accept deliveries of A380 jets powered by Rolls-Royce Holdings Plc engines after the U.K. manufacturer agreed to fund measures to address performance and maintenance concerns.

Dubai-based Emirates will take the first double-decker with Trent 900 engines from Rolls-Royce on Dec. 16, two weeks later than planned, in light of an agreement involving both technical and commercial elements, Tim Clark, the airline’s president, said Wednesday in London.

“There were some issues on performance, but we’ve come to a satisfactory conclusion,” Clark said. “Rolls are taking care of everything, so we are neutral to the repercussions.”

Emirates, the biggest operator of the A380, is due to take receipt of 50 of the Airbus Group SE planes equipped with Rolls-Royce engines after switching from the competing GP7000 turbine manufactured by an alliance of General Electric Co. and Pratt & Whitney, which powered its first 90 aircraft.
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Iran news said A380 it not included in Iran Deal? its that true ?
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Iran news said A380 it not included in Iran Deal? its that true ?
Not strictly new news. From June.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-iran-a-idUSKCN0ZD2LJ

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But people familiar with the deal say there are increasing signs that Tehran is having second thoughts about whether to take delivery.

"We always made clear this is an option," an Iranian official told Reuters, asking not to be identified.

"It is possible to switch to other models," he added.
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An industry source familiar with the region said Iran was committed to the rest of the order, but was less interested in taking the A380s, ordered in part for political reasons.
That's because their leaders were guests of the French President when they 'ordered' their Airbuses.
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Well, considering the the largest 777 will have almost as much passenger capacity as an A380

The B777 is a torture instrument for economy passengers. The cabin width of the A380 is 60 cm oder 24 inch wider than the B777X cabin!

The B777 has 10 seats abreast, like the A380 !

The A380 customers could easily put 11 seats abreast and they would be wider than the B777's seats.
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and most of 777s has 9 seats abreast
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