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Old December 12th, 2016, 12:23 AM   #8461
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and most of 777s has 9 seats abreast
No. Most were but most got retrofitted to 10.
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Old December 12th, 2016, 01:34 AM   #8462
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The B777 is a torture instrument for economy passengers. The cabin width of the A380 is 60 cm oder 24 inch wider than the B777X cabin!

The B777 has 10 seats abreast, like the A380 !

The A380 customers could easily put 11 seats abreast and they would be wider than the B777's seats.
Yes, I try to fly A380 whenever possible, even if the ticket cost more.
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Old December 16th, 2016, 12:09 AM   #8463
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Old December 19th, 2016, 12:26 AM   #8464
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Iran Drops A380s in Airbus Deal

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Airbus Group SE suffered a blow to its already troubled A380 program when Iran, which had previously suggested it would buy the double-decker planes, said it had dropped the model as part of a wider fleet upgrade.

Iran reduced its order with Airbus to 100 planes in a contract that will no longer include A380s, Farhad Parvaresh, Iran Air’s chief executive officer, said in a press conference in Tehran. This will shrink the original $27 billion deal for 118 jets, including 12 A380s.
From Bloomberg News.

Not wholly unexpected. But still..
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Old December 19th, 2016, 06:16 AM   #8465
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Is there good news anywhere for the A380 program?
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Old December 19th, 2016, 06:46 AM   #8466
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Unloved A380 Gets Lifeline With Plan for 700-Seat Hajj Fleet

Malaysia Airlines Bhd. said it will use six surplus Airbus Group SE A380 superjumbos to form the core of a fleet of 700-seat jets dedicated to transporting Muslim travelers on the annual Hajj pilgrimage to Mecca.

Establishing a religious-charter operation is attractive because it would offer guaranteed revenues and predictable fares, passenger numbers and plane requirements, according to the CEO, who also looked at selling the A380s to Chinese airlines. The week-long Hajj and year-round Umrah pilgrimage could employ 20 superjumbos within five years and Bellew said the business might also tap further aircraft coming off lease or unwanted by other carriers.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...-malaysia-plan

Apart from that I can image that the A380 may be usefull for domestic Chinese flights in a 700 or even 800 seat configuration. Same for India one day. Arbus just needs to keep it fresh and updated.
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Old December 19th, 2016, 04:02 PM   #8467
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Old December 28th, 2016, 12:41 AM   #8468
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Emirates have suddenly announced that they will defer someA380 deliveries in 2017

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...-with-emirates

Seemingly this is mainly to give Rolls time to fix engine issues.
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Old December 29th, 2016, 12:07 PM   #8469
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Emirates have suddenly announced that they will defer someA380 deliveries in 2017

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...-with-emirates

Seemingly this is mainly to give Rolls time to fix engine issues.
Not just that, EK is also under financial pressure. It's another episode of their 'cost-cutting' drama.
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Old January 11th, 2017, 02:49 PM   #8470
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The original 747 didn't sell very well either (-100 turned out to have terrible performance that made it quickly obsolete and research went overbudget) and didn't break even till the -300 and not really become financially successful until the -400 model, in summer last year the 747 program slipped back in to loss making again for the first time in 7 years.

The A380 program has broken even (just) but hopefully like with Boeing the sunk development and manufacturing startup costs make further iterations of the design much more cost effective to design and produce.
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Old January 12th, 2017, 02:56 AM   #8471
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The A380 program has broken even (just) but hopefully like with Boeing the sunk development and manufacturing startup costs make further iterations of the design much more cost effective to design and produce.
From: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/...80-superjumbo/

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Sandy Morris, an aviation analyst at Jefferies, said: “The A380 reached break-even in 2015 at 27 deliveries and Airbus targets break-even at 20 deliveries in 2017. In 2018, we already forecast the A380 to return to a loss of €250m, rising to €350m in 2020. Airbus has, we figure, seen the cut coming for some time.
With the Emirates deferral and the December rate cut to 12/year from 2018 onwards, the A380 is almost certainly back in the red going forward. Airbus has only claimed breakeven at 27/year and has said breakeven may be possible at 20/year, but 12/year is a whole different level.

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The original 747 didn't sell very well either (-100 turned out to have terrible performance that made it quickly obsolete and research went overbudget) and didn't break even till the -300 and not really become financially successful until the -400 model, in summer last year the 747 program slipped back in to loss making again for the first time in 7 years.
The problem is industry trends. When the 747 was introduced, it was twice as big and had significantly more range than anything else flying, which allowed it open up new routes and opportunities. The early models may not have been perfect, but the program was in the right place.

With the 777X approaching and beating the A380 on a CASM basis, the only justification for the A380 going forward will be saving a few slots on the few hub-to-hub routes (and every airport is still predominantly narrowbody, which is the low-hanging fruit for slot-constrained airports). Given the abysmal sales of the A380, it's extremely unlikely they'll even re-engine the A380, much less do a major redesign.

As much as I appreciate the A380s, it seems like their future is limited to a few aerodynamic kit upgrades. The idea that Emirates will swoop in and kickstart an A380neo with a large order is becoming less plausible as the ME3 tighten their budgets in a global traffic growth slowdown.
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Old January 16th, 2017, 09:38 PM   #8472
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Then also delete that Iran Air fantasy livery A380 pic post by zaz965, its not relevant unless it was in real IR livery.
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Old January 16th, 2017, 10:35 PM   #8473
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Sounds like Boeing made the right call all along with developing its 777 and 787:

The Airbus A380 Is Dead -- Airbus Just Hasn't Admitted It Yet

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It's true that air traffic is growing at a strong pace, but that doesn't mean airlines will need to use ever-larger planes to move passengers through enormous megahubs. While Emirates has had notable success with that model, many airlines are going the opposite direction by opening up new point-to-point routes.

Boeing's revolutionary 787 Dreamliner has played a big role in that process. The Dreamliner can fly as far as a jumbo jet with comparable unit costs but is dramatically smaller. (Many airlines configure Boeing's 787-8 and 787-9 models with 200-250 seats, about half as many as an A380 typically holds.)

The Dreamliner has already enabled numerous new point-to-point routes. These routes siphon traffic away from the biggest hubs by allowing travelers to fly nonstop. If air traffic does indeed double over the next 15 years, a slew of additional point-to-point routes will become viable. Thus, the natural growth of air travel in big hub markets will be offset to a large degree by the cannibalization of their connecting traffic by new point-to-point service.
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Boeing's new 777X will give airlines even less reason to operate the A380. The 777-9 model will hold more than 400 passengers in a three-class configuration, putting it in the low end of the jumbo jet segment. And with state-of-the-art engine technology, it is likely to be far more fuel efficient than the Airbus A380.

Emirates has already given the 777X its seal of approval, ordering 150 from Boeing. In the coming years, even Emirates -- the only big fan of the A380 -- could find that the 777X is big enough for its purposes. (Boeing is also reportedly mulling a stretched version of the 777X, which would put it even closer to the A380 in terms of capacity.)
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Old January 16th, 2017, 11:16 PM   #8474
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The link favouring Boeing says it all, wish the A380 success just like the A330-300.
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Old January 17th, 2017, 02:30 AM   #8475
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"Airbus currently has a backlog of 112 firm A380 orders. However, as many as 49 of these orders are likely to be canceled due to airlines' fading interest in jumbo jets."

which ones
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Old January 17th, 2017, 03:12 AM   #8476
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which ones
Amadeo and Virgin for starters as was often said here. How long have you been round Danfer?

BUT Airbus think they might about break even on 1 frame a month by mid 2018!
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Old January 17th, 2017, 03:56 PM   #8477
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Old January 19th, 2017, 06:23 PM   #8478
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Emirates to launch first A380 service to Brazil
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Old January 20th, 2017, 03:01 PM   #8479
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And that will happen in the very day Etihad leaves Brazil. Talk about some bitch slap!
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Old January 23rd, 2017, 09:15 AM   #8480
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Sounds like Boeing made the right call all along with developing its 777 and 787:
So bad Airbus hasn't planes to compete with B777 and B787 - oh wait, what about the A350 and the A330neo ?
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