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Old February 3rd, 2017, 10:35 PM   #8481
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Air France have now officially dropped their last 2 A380s on order with Airbus, they converted the order to 3 A350-900s on January 18.

http://www.airbus.com/company/market/orders-deliveries/
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Old February 3rd, 2017, 11:27 PM   #8482
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So bad Airbus hasn't planes to compete with B777 and B787 - oh wait, what about the A350 and the A330neo ?
Oh, I have no doubt of that. It's just that the money Airbus plowed into the A380 program (that it's clearly never going to get back) could have been directed elsewhere.
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Old February 4th, 2017, 12:52 AM   #8483
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Oh, I have no doubt of that. It's just that the money Airbus plowed into the A380 program (that it's clearly never going to get back) could have been directed elsewhere.
The money wasn't spent in a vacuum though, even if the A380 project turns to be a commercial failure, which looks certain, Airbus will have gained a whole lot of tech and knowledge from it. They they can use this in future designs or to improving current ones I'm sure...not a total waster over the longer-term...
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Old February 4th, 2017, 05:07 AM   #8484
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While the A380 project was not exactly the success that Airbus intended (due to the "tech bubble" financial crash of 2000 and the stock market crash of 2008), a lot of the technology learned from the A380 project was applied to the A350XWB, A320neo and A330neo projects. Indeed, the A350XWB's structural design is very close to what was developed for the A380.
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Old February 5th, 2017, 09:14 AM   #8485
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I'd be interested to know what primary city/metro/urban area has the lowest population out of all airports served by a regular scheduled A380 flight? From what I can see, all metro areas served by an A380 flight are well over 1 million people. The smallest I can find is Christchurch, New Zealand which Emirates started flying it's A380's too a few months ago. Christchurch metro area is about 400k.

Are there any other cities smaller served by A380s? I only ask because I can't see how flying an A380 into Christchurch is sustainable in the long run given the relatively smaller population base.
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Old February 5th, 2017, 02:03 PM   #8486
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I'd be interested to know what primary city/metro/urban area has the lowest population out of all airports served by a regular scheduled A380 flight? From what I can see, all metro areas served by an A380 flight are well over 1 million people.
I would think Christchurch is seasonal as its demand peak is Dec-Jan. Otherwise you are right. There ain't enough demand ex DUB to Dubai at any time of the year unless EK go single daily and DUB is serving 2.5m people in its effective catchment.
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Old February 5th, 2017, 06:38 PM   #8487
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The main reason for the switch from 777 to A380 is most likely the Dubai - Sydney leg of this flight, just to serve Sydney only with the A380.
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Old February 5th, 2017, 11:16 PM   #8488
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I'd be interested to know what primary city/metro/urban area has the lowest population out of all airports served by a regular scheduled A380 flight? From what I can see, all metro areas served by an A380 flight are well over 1 million people. The smallest I can find is Christchurch, New Zealand which Emirates started flying it's A380's too a few months ago. Christchurch metro area is about 400k.

Are there any other cities smaller served by A380s? I only ask because I can't see how flying an A380 into Christchurch is sustainable in the long run given the relatively smaller population base.
EK will eventually serve all Australian destination on A380 metal its always been the plan. CHC is a stopover services which saves EK ground handling costs in SYD plus they carry belly freight across the tasman.

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I would think Christchurch is seasonal as its demand peak is Dec-Jan. Otherwise you are right. There ain't enough demand ex DUB to Dubai at any time of the year unless EK go single daily and DUB is serving 2.5m people in its effective catchment.

CHC is not seasonal this is a scheduled upgauge.

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The main reason for the switch from 777 to A380 is most likely the Dubai - Sydney leg of this flight, just to serve Sydney only with the A380.
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Old February 11th, 2017, 08:35 AM   #8489
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Another body blow to the A380 program:

Boeing's Singapore Airlines deal might signal death for Airbus A380: analyst

Feb 9, 2017, 5:04pm PST

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Boeing's tentative deal to sell 39 wide-body jets to Singapore Airlines "almost certainly" signals the death-knell for the Airbus A380 jet, an aerospace analyst said Thursday.

Other analysts said it's premature to write an obituary for the European-made jumbo jet.

The debate emerged after Boeing (NYSE: BA) said Singapore Airlines made a commitment to buy 20 Boeing 777-9s and 19 787-10 Dreamliners in a deal worth $13.8 billion at list prices, excluding discounts of 50 percent that often accompany such deals. Boeing said the deal has not been finalized.

But the deal "is as good as done" because Singapore Airlines is a high-quality customer, said Saj Ahmad, chief analyst for StrategicAero Research of London.

Singapore Airlines last fall returned the first of five A380s leased from Airbus 10 years ago. Boeing's 777-9 jet will slash fuel and operational costs far beyond the A380s, making the Airbus double-decker "economically obsolete," Ahmad said.

"It almost certainly signals the death-knell for the aging and less fuel efficient A380 fleet," Ahmad said. "There doesn't seem to be appetite to buy more and add yet more capacity into its network when the entire (Asia-Pacific) region is battling to make money and generate better yields, despite cabins being fuller as a result of cheaper air fares."

Emirates has orders for 175 Boeing 777X jets so it can eventually retire its "gas-guzzling A380s," Ahmad added.
Anyone think that Airbus will kill the A380 program at about the same time as Boeing pulls the plug on the 747?
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Old February 13th, 2017, 02:03 AM   #8490
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Life is getting tougher for the Emirates E380. Airbus' shareholders will be happy when the plug on that airplane is finally pulled.
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Old February 13th, 2017, 04:54 AM   #8491
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Life is getting tougher for the Emirates E380. Airbus' shareholders will be happy when the plug on that airplane is finally pulled.
Why?
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Old February 13th, 2017, 07:42 AM   #8492
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Maybe they can convert A380 to twin engine aircraft?
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Maybe they can convert A380 to twin engine aircraft?
no..... just.. no
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Old February 13th, 2017, 07:14 PM   #8494
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Maybe they can convert A380 to twin engine aircraft?
Sure, if you're willing to spend 10+ billion dollars developing the most powerful engines in the world, redesigning the aircraft wing, retooling the production facilities....
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Old February 13th, 2017, 08:35 PM   #8495
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Because EK is the only airline still excited about the A380 out there...

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Old February 14th, 2017, 06:02 AM   #8496
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Because EK is the only airline still excited about the A380 out there...
Well, with the growth slowdown they are facing right now. I don't think they are as excited as they were for the last few years. EK is even deferring deliveries of some frames.

I want the a380 to succeed, I really do, but I have to admit that the slowdown that EK is facing and SQ's choice of the 777X (even though they are considered as replacement for the 777-300ER, it is clear to me that they waited to see how the a380 program develops before they made that decision) sadly mark the end of the a380.
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Old February 14th, 2017, 11:28 AM   #8497
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Regardless if the A380 is a good plane or not one should analyse what's its main purpose. A380 is basically a plane designed for slot constrained airports since the cost per seat is higher (or will be) than other current planes and nearby future.

So A380 will only survive in the particular case mentioned or if the cost per seat keeps low (because Airbus decides to sell them cheaper for instance)
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any chance to build a longer version and reduce the cost-per-seat this way?
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Old February 20th, 2017, 05:46 PM   #8500
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Is that true that the first prototype of A380 is heading to museum?
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