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Old June 19th, 2006, 03:37 PM   #1001
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@mate_balota: actually Dubai (where emirates airline is based) only earns 7-8% of its GDP off oil. Abu Dhabi is the oil emirate and even there the percentage of oil income has dropped dramatically in comparison with other income. In Dubai main income is trade both financial as well as through the harbour, tourism and construction. If the oil runs out Dubai will hardly notice it as oil is not even in their top 4-5 of income sources.
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Old June 19th, 2006, 03:42 PM   #1002
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Tourism. Emirates is steering itself towards being the global tourist powerhouse. And to do that, they need to be able to bring people in. In addition, their location demands some long distance flying to countries like Japan and the western US. The 380 will allow them to consolidate flights easier. It's a strategy, don't know if it will work or not, but I give them credit for at least thinking of one instead of playing catch-up.
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Old June 19th, 2006, 04:39 PM   #1003
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Wow nice first class cabin but I am still convinced the A380 will have more negative than positive consequences for the quality of air travel for the average passenger. I can just imagine how fun it will be having to wait in line with 500 other people for a boarding call. Anyway the cabin really does look like nice.

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Old June 20th, 2006, 11:33 AM   #1004
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I can just imagine how fun it will be having to wait in line with 500 other people for a boarding call.
Ha ha, I can imagine that. Maybe, I should avoid A380 trip.

First class is great, but wait for each airlines' unique First class.
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Old June 20th, 2006, 01:38 PM   #1005
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I don't see this going beyond the mock-ups and into the real commercial A380 cabins...but I'm keeping my fingers crossed. It would seriously be awesome to fly in that style!
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Old June 20th, 2006, 03:16 PM   #1006
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You won't see much of anything like this, but there will be a few (Emirates may be one of them) tha will have avery high-end section. Thre are enough executives who now have no choice but to fly a regular jet. If you have a 14+ plane trip, then they will shell out for some extra room and porvacy. They can justify it on being "productive" for 14 hours. Plus, the airline only needs to fill a few of these ultra-high fare seats to rake in some big bucks to ofset cheap tickets.

The 380 is going to be a love-hate aircraft. Sheer volume will bring fares down, but it will also make flying that much more uncomfortable.
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Old June 20th, 2006, 09:56 PM   #1007
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Boarding times won't be such an issue as both floors will be boarded at the same time, de gaulle, heathrow, frankfurt, dubai, they're all building two floor gates especially for a380. Theoretically that means up to 4 doors at once but we all know in practice you get just one door per airbridge. I've repeatedly been on b777 and a340 which had been boarded through just one door and that's roughly half of what a380 will hold. Shouldn't be much different, really. Actually i would imagine an a380 would be boarded more quickly than b747 since its lower deck is so cramped.
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Old June 20th, 2006, 10:27 PM   #1008
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sorry, no cabin details though
Thanks Rapid!
If I remember well, the program takes 250 planes for Airbus to make money... It is already almost certainly rentable before the first plane is delivered (yet we have to trust the companies for using their options)! That's rather cool for such a risky programme that was pictured as a potential flop by some analysts.

Still, I believe that Airbus could have achieved more money by making a plane more comparable to the 777 and should be doing more efforts to renew its A320 familly. At least this programme is going to give them new industrial capacities, useful in the future.

The delays are bad but not catastrophic. Cancelling 15 planes would almost solve the problem. On the long run it shouldn' make such a difference...



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wow, seriously, who cares whether Airbus or Boeing is better? Avro is obviously the best , fourty odd years ago.....
Can't agree more with you. Please stop this US vs UE spams as they are out of place in this thread and sometimes really dumb and superficial for an insider.

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Old June 20th, 2006, 10:45 PM   #1009
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The 380 is going to be a love-hate aircraft. Sheer volume will bring fares down, but it will also make flying that much more uncomfortable.
That is not necessarily true....
Note that this aircraft has

*four engines so noise insulation is easier
*a little less sensitivity to turbulences
*possibly more space for your legs as the economy cabin will be hard to fill anyway
*more common facilities in general (depends on the version, but the size make it sensible)
*some more reliable subsystems

all that is done because of the size and the scale economies that make it feasible. There are of course reasons to think the oposite, but I think it is balnced, if not in favour of bigger planes.
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Old June 20th, 2006, 11:33 PM   #1010
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For most airlines, they are going to put in the minimu they have to meet regulations, and fill the rest up with revenue generating seats. That is what they have done more or less for every other plane. The 380 will be just as crowded, becuase it will carry more passengers, thus making seat mile cost lower, and making fares lower, so more people fly, as well as allowing for better direct routing due to range. I would guess that a larger interior might feel a little better, though. Plus, at the airport you are now dealing with even more people. Still, it is not a humongeous jumpo over 747 loads.
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Old June 24th, 2006, 11:39 AM   #1011
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MAS Order Cancellation Would Add To Airbus Turbulence
By Manik Mehta

NEW YORK, June 23 (Bernama) -- Speculation unleashed by a recent report in the Air Transport World, a US-based aviation magazine, about the impending cancellation of an order by Malaysian Airline System Bhd (MAS) worth about 1 billion euros (1 euro = RM4.58) for six A380 planes, is adding to the problems of the already-beleaguered Airbus.

A A380 costs between US$270 and US$290 million (US$1=RM3.63).

Though MAS has not yet officially confirmed the cancellation of the order, the report has also unleashed panic among some sections of its shareholders who have been sharply criticising Airbus for the delays in the aircraft delivery to the customers, many of whom have sustained losses and are claiming damages.

Though MAS had planned to overhaul and modernise its fleet with the induction of the A380 aircraft, it remains to be seen what course of action it would take -- to seek compensation if it cancels the order or switch to rival Boeing for the latter's latest aircraft corresponding to the A380.

However, most industry analysts in Europe and North America say that given the financial quagmire it has fallen into, MAS would be prudent not to continue with the order.

"Given its financial constraints, MAS might very likely see the Airbus delay as a blessing in disguise to cancel the order, and effect long-term savings of at least US$1 billion which can make its balance sheet look better in the coming years," says one New York-based analyst, who monitors the performance of airlines and insisted his name not be mentioned.


Airbus is, meanwhile, facing huge problems related to production which would cause a further delay of six months in deliveries of the A380 aircraft, according to sources at its parent company, EADS.

The production of the new aircraft has been marred by serious wiring problems which have forced Airbus to cut delivery targets to nine from an original target of between 20 and 27 in 2007.

Earlier this month, EADS had said that several factors were forcing deliveries to be delayed from October 2006 to April 2007.

But Airbus sources said despite the delay, it would deliver the first of its A380 to Singapore Airlines (SIA) on schedule during the latter part of the current year.

Bottlenecks in production also meant delivery shortfalls of five to nine aircraft in 2008 and five in 2009. Airbus had hoped to deliver 20 to 25 aircraft in 2008 and 45 a year later.

EADS co-chief executive, Noel Forgeard, who was sharply criticised for the delays, acknowledged recently that they could lead to customers not only cancelling orders but also penalty payments to airlines whose orders had been delayed.

Australia's Qantas has been fuming over the delays saying that it would seek compensation from Airbus.

Meanwhile, the world's largest aircraft leasing company, ILFC, has also threatened to cancel the orders for the A380 aircraft because of the delays.

"We are not satisfied and would be within our rights to cancel (the order)," ILFC chief Steven Udvar-Hazy was quoted as saying.

In its earnings forecast, Airbus has apparently made provisions for penalties from the late delivery but has not taken into account the cancellation of orders.

The A380 is the world's largest aircraft and is able to accommodate more than 800 passengers on twin decks.

Airbus had received 159 firm orders for the A380 from 10 airlines, including SIA, Emirates, Qantas and Virgin Atlantic.

It is 80 percent owned by European aerospace and defence group EADS and 20 percent by UK's BAE Systems which said it is selling its stake.

-- BERNAMA
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Old July 3rd, 2006, 01:29 PM   #1012
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Wow that is some super-luxury cabin that looks slightly better than those of corporate/private jets. Given a choice and with $$$ to burn, I'd rather choose this over the latter.

It's just too bad though about the delays.
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Old July 3rd, 2006, 07:38 PM   #1013
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Boeing does not get subsidies where do you get this eurotrash info.
U.S Military is buying a MILITARY PRODUCT!!!!!

Boeing does not get cash influx by any kind from the U.S goverment to run operations. Boeing does get cash influx for developing technology INTO PRODUCTS.....

Airbus does get loans with ridiculous interest rates that is like giving money to a little kid.

If Boeing does not Produced a product using the money for R.D that is given to an Specific proyect for the U.S Military the company must repay money with penalty and MARKET interest.
You've made some good points, I would like to add that if US military spending is a backdoor subsidy for airliner manufacturing then why did Lockheed and McDonnell-Douglas exit the business. They both had large military contracts, larger than Boeing but that did not save their airliner manufacturing business.

It seems to me that if any company is subsidized by US military spending it would be Airbus since the US contributed a great deal financially to the defense of Europe. Had Europe picked up the full burden of their defence costs they would have had much less money to pour into Airbus. In 1951 Eisenhower warned that if American troops remained in Europe in ten years time (1961) NATO would have been a failure. He would be astonished today if he were to see the large military presence we maintain in Europe some fifteen years after the demise of the USSR!
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Old July 3rd, 2006, 10:34 PM   #1014
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Well, McD IS boeing now. And Lockheed is still around, they just don't participate in the passenger market anymore. There's not as much money in it, and they kind of got stung with the whole L-1011 shebangle.

Keep in mind that if one of the two - Airbus or Boeing - were to pretty much go under, all heck would break loose because of monopoly regulations. As much as they like to bicker back and forth and compete with one another, they really need the other one to stick around.
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Old July 4th, 2006, 05:14 AM   #1015
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Old July 4th, 2006, 05:25 AM   #1016
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Rise of the Emirates Empire

The tension has been building for years. Emirates launched in 1985 with just two daily flights to Pakistan; the upstart carrier quickly became profitable and has since enjoyed 17 straight years in the black. According to the financial data that Emirates discloses, the $637 million profit it earned in its most recent fiscal year--on record sales of $4.9 billion--ranks it as the world's second most profitable passenger airline, behind Singapore Airlines. As the flag carrier for Dubai, the second-largest of the seven sheikhdoms that make up the United Arab Emirates, the airline has quietly become one of the world's most successful, earning it very few friends among the competition. "They perceive us as the largest single threat to their existence in the last 20 or 30 years," Clark says.



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Old November 16th, 2006, 12:47 AM   #1017
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Airbus A38 arrives in Singapore on first leg of global test flight

Singapore - An Airbus A380 arrived in Singapore on Tuesday in the first stop of a round-the-world series of test flights before the superjumbo can be certified as fit for commercial flying.

The world's largest passenger plane landed at Changi Airport after a flight of more than 12 hours from Airbus headquarters in Toulouse, France.

Among those aboard were officials and pilots from the US Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) and the European Aviation Safety Agency (EASA).

Airbus is racing against time to deal with production delays caused by wiring problems.

Singapore Airlines (SIA) is set to be the first carrier to fly the A380 after three delays.

FedEx Corp., the world's largest express delivery group, cancelled its order for 10 A380-800F freighter aircraft earlier this month, opting instead to buy planes from rival US manufacturer Boeing.

Emirates, the biggest purchaser, said last month it would send its own audit team to Airbus before entering talks to address the two-year delay. Emirates has 43 of the 300-million-US-dollar superjumbos on order.

SIA was originally supposed to receive its first A380 early this year, but Airbus said it will now be delivered in October of next year.

The plane, on the first of 10 stops over 17 days of technical tests, needs to complete 150 hours of flying time to simulate the pressures of a typical airline schedule.

If all the tests are passed, the A380 will be on course to receive export certification in mid-December.

'This is the end of the road in terms of the certification, which has so far been very successful,' said Keith Stonestreet, the A380's product marketing director.

The A380, which can carry 555 passengers in a three-class configuration, also needs to undergo commercial testing to ensure it meets the specifications of individual airlines.

'Some of the components and the systems have been on test for eight of nine years now,' said Stonestreet.

SIA has ordered 19 A380s. 'We want to do a few other things just to make sure that when Singapore Airlines' gets the plane, 'it operates perfectly for them.'

The test aircraft is scheduled to depart for Seoul on Wednesday. It will also stop at Hong Kong, Japan's Narita, Guangzhou, Beijing and Shanghai in China, Johannesburg, Sydney and Vancouver.

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Old November 16th, 2006, 12:52 AM   #1018
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Good news (that it achieved the 12 hours flight without troubles) that's a good sign .
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Old November 16th, 2006, 09:01 AM   #1019
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so many delays ahah
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Old November 16th, 2006, 10:08 AM   #1020
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Sydney???
WHEN???TIME???DAY???DATES???
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