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Old March 19th, 2007, 03:08 PM   #1121
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Originally Posted by hkskyline View Post
Given the trend of using smaller aircraft and boosting frequencies, I don't think it's likely the A380 will be used for domestic routes. Perhaps London-New York may be more feasible to start.
Of course not. The A380 is cleary designed for long haul international routes. The same market as the B747.
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Old March 19th, 2007, 06:16 PM   #1122
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Originally Posted by goschio View Post
Of course not. The A380 is cleary designed for long haul international routes. The same market as the B747.
Actually, 747s have been deployed on some short haul routes such as Hong Kong - Taipei. As long as there is enough traffic, then a large aircraft is still feasible. In fact, a West Coast - East Coast flight takes about 5-6 hours, which is a long haul flight already.
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A380 on trans-Atlantic sales pitch

FRANKFURT, Germany (AP) -- It may trail the historic impact of Charles Lindbergh's 1927 solo flight across the Atlantic, but the Spirit of St. Louis also did not have a wingspan wider than a football field or space for more than 500 passengers.

For plane builder Airbus and German airline Lufthansa, the A380's first flight to North America on Monday is a chance to show off the superjumbo to potential U.S. buyers and to the airports they hope will be flight bases for the double-decker jet.

"We're talking about an airplane that is representing aviation in the 21st century in terms of efficiency," said Jens Bischoff, Lufthansa's vice president for the Americas.

For Airbus, which has been beset by management and financial crises -- including a two-year delay to the A380 that wiped more than €5 billion ($6.61 billion) off profit forecasts -- the flight is a chance to prove that the plane will be ready when the first deliveries are made in October to Singapore Airlines.

Lufthansa chief pilot Juergen Raps, who has flown the A380 before, said that despite the superjumbo's size, it was nimble and responsive.

"If I were to compare it to driving, you would think this would be like driving a truck or a bus," he said inside the plane's cockpit. "It's like driving a Ferrari."

The air show began early Monday at Frankfurt International Airport when the 240-foot-long plane took off as Lufthansa Flight 8940 for the eight-hour flight to New York's JFK Airport, scheduled to land at 12:30 p.m. EDT. Onboard were 483 people, including four pilots, four Airbus crew members, 23 Lufthansa cabin crew and several hundred passengers, mostly Airbus and Lufthansa employees along with some reporters.

"Everything went smoothly," said Klaus Busch, a spokesman for the Frankfurt Airport.

The flight will operate just as if it were a commercial one with full dining and entertainment services.

As a test on Sunday, organizers boarded more than 500 people onto the aircraft using two jetways with an impressive time of less than 20 minutes. A second test was held shortly after to see if the Lufthansa workers could board it faster.

After the inaugural run, Lufthansa and Airbus will operate a demonstration flight to Chicago O'Hare Airport on Tuesday, before returning to New York and then Frankfurt. The plane then heads to Hong Kong and back, before continuing its journey to Washington Dulles International Airport on March 25, with a final stop at Lufthansa's Munich hub on March 28 to complete the series of optimization flights.

Using the performance results from this circuit -- flying the plane as it would be done so if it were in service -- Lufthansa's goal is to match the A380's turnaround time from landing to takeoff with that of much smaller long-haul jets in operation.

The A380, which burns about four liters (one gallon) of gas per passenger every 130 kilometers (80 miles) and can fly some 8,000 nautical miles, can seat as many as 550 passengers. Airbus has 166 orders from 15 airlines for the new plane, which has made tests flights in Europe and to Asia.

"We are proud that ... we are now able to present the A380 to the American people," said Mario Heinen, the head of Airbus' A380 program. "Both JFK and LAX, as well as Chicago O'Hare International and Washington Dulles International Airport are key future destinations for the A380."

The Frankfurt-New York flight is one of two A380 flights to the United States. The other is an A380 operated by Australian airline Qantas that is flying to Los Angeles International Monday but devoid of passengers and crew, save for those in the cockpit.

Toulouse, France-based Airbus said that plane will perform tests at the California airport, including airfield maneuvers, docking at the terminal gate and ground and gate handling exercises. The Los Angeles airport, the fifth-busiest worldwide, is expected to be the first U.S. destination for the A380 when it enters commercial service.

"The airports seeing the A380 this week and next are among the key future destinations for the A380 and following these flights, these hubs will prove themselves ready, willing and able to welcome the A380 for service," top Airbus salesman John Leahy said.

Lufthansa, which has orders for 15 A380s and an option for five more, expects to use the planes on its international routes, mainly to Asia and North America. It expects the first one to be delivered in mid-2009, pushed back from 2008 by the manufacturing delays.

The problems at Airbus led Louis Gallois, co-chief executive of parent company European Aeronautic Defense and Space Co., to call 2006 "the worst year for Airbus in its life." Airbus is seeking to recoup its losses by cutting 10,000 jobs and spinning off or closing six of its European manufacturing plants.
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Old March 19th, 2007, 10:57 PM   #1124
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Sales of A380 not taking off
Financial weakness and a wait-and-see attitude on the part of U.S. airlines keep orders low for new European aircraft

Published March 18, 2007

As the biggest commercial jet ever made swoops into Chicago for the first time Tuesday, Airbus SAS, the plane's European maker, has yet to find a U.S. airline buyer.

Manufacturers typically show off new planes to buyers and members of the media through demonstration flights -- barnstorming tours such as this week's inaugural visit.

That the A380 is stopping in the Midwest on its maiden voyage to the U.S. is no coincidence, analysts say. Elk Grove Township-based United Airlines and Minneapolis-based Northwest Airlines Corp. are considered the two likeliest purchasers in an otherwise tough market for the superjumbo jet.

Airbus spokeswoman Mary Anne Greczyn confirms the Europe-based manufacturer is in talks with North American airlines about the jet, but declines to say with whom it is talking -- or which potential customers will be hopping rides on the new plane.

Representatives for United and Northwest won't say if they are scoping out the double-decker jumbo jet.

But analysts expect the airlines to take a serious look at the jet as they rebuild their fleets over the next several years, since both United and Northwest are the only major U.S. carriers flying Boeing 747 jumbo jets, the largest plane on the market until the A380 was developed.

Both do a booming business carrying passengers across the Pacific, the only routes out of the U.S. where the new behemoth might make economic sense, analysts say.

However, neither airline is in the position to write a check if executives like what they see in the new aircraft. United has been out of bankruptcy for only a year and is still struggling to improve its finances; Northwest plans to emerge from bankruptcy this year.

'No real means for ordering'

"You've got maybe two airlines that could conceivably be interested, and they're both bankruptcy-types that at this point have no real means for ordering such fleets," said Paul Nisbet, aerospace analyst with JSA Research Inc., a Rhode Island-based market research firm.

Indeed, the U.S. is proving a tough market for Airbus to crack for the new jet, a fact the planemaker acknowledges.

With potential U.S. buyers in a recovery phase, "conventional wisdom indicates that U.S. passenger airlines are not yet an immediate target for such a large-capacity, long-range aircraft -- again, that is not yet," said Greczyn. "That said, ours is a forward-thinking industry built on future planning, and the U.S. remains one of the most promising markets in the world for all sizes of aircraft."

However, Boeing is also vying for customers for the largest and most-expensive aircraft. When Airbus sales stalled last year after production woes caused it to repeatedly delay delivery of the first A380s, Boeing stepped into the breach with fuel-efficient makeover of its decades-old 747 jumbo jet.

Last fall, Boeing signed up Lufthansa AG as its launch customer for the redesigned plane, known as the 747-8. And it's pursuing sales in its home market. "We are definitely talking to quite a number of airlines, including some in North America," said Boeing spokesman Jim Condelles.

Limited demand in U.S.

The appetite for these aircraft remains small in the U.S., the largest and most mature aviation market in the world. Boeing projects that aircraft the size of the 747 and larger will only account for 2 percent of total sales in North America through 2025. That's about 190 planes.

For starters, they're pricey: The new 747 starts at $272.5 million apiece; the A380 starts at $304.4 million.

Plus, most U.S. carriers have traditionally shied away from the largest aircraft, since it's more economical to fly midsized planes on routes that crisscross the country or the Atlantic Ocean.

"You buy what you can sell," said Glenn Langdon, president of Langdon Asset Management, a San Francisco-based aircraft-leasing firm.

As the U.S. carriers come back into the aircraft market, Langdon expects them to focus orders on Boeing's midsized 787 Dreamliner, its larger 777 aircraft, as well as the A330, a popular Airbus wide-body jet.

Most of the 156 orders that Airbus has tallied for the new jet are from airlines based in Asia and the Middle East, which plan to use it on popular, long-range routes where they're having trouble keeping pace with demand.

With the first A380 scheduled to be delivered to Singapore Airlines in October, U.S. carriers such as United may well wait to see how the A380 performs for overseas carriers before deciding whether to purchase it for themselves, analysts say.

"Is it possible that a number of carriers can buy the airplane? Sure," said Howard Rubel, managing director with investment bank Jefferies and Co. "It's too early to write an obituary for the 380, and too soon to declare it a success."
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Old March 19th, 2007, 11:53 PM   #1125
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now is there any pics people??
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Old March 20th, 2007, 12:12 AM   #1126
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can people start giving the links with the articles, unless of course they wrote they think they wrote them themselves.
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Old March 20th, 2007, 02:59 AM   #1127
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JFK A380 photos by SafetyDude on A.net:


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Old March 20th, 2007, 03:07 AM   #1128
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such a fantastic and elegant aeroplane.......
Και πρώτα απ'όλα τι εννοούμε λέγοντας παιδεία; Την πληροφορία, την τεχνική, το δίπλωμα εξειδίκευσης που εξασφαλίζει γάμο, αυτοκίνητο κι ακίνητο,
με πληρωμή την πλήρη υποταγή του εξασφαλισθέντος ή την πνευματική και ψυχική διάπλαση ενός ελεύθερου ανθρώπου, με τεχνική αναθεώρησης κι ονειρικής δομής,
με αγωνία απελευθέρωσης και με διαθέσεις μιας ιπτάμενης φυγής προς τ'άστρα; M.X.
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Old March 20th, 2007, 03:40 AM   #1129
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From Chicago Tribune....


makes its first-ever descent into Los Angeles

Spectators lined up around the runway to watch the Airbus arrive.

The Airbus A380 made a slow landing through murky skies

crowd at the corner of Lincoln and Sepulveda boulevards takes photos as the Airbus A380 lands

The super-jumbo jet landed onto Runway 24R on the north side of LAX

After it touched down at LAX, the aircraft taxied to the Imperial Terminal on the airport's south side for a welcoming ceremony

The city's airport agency has spent about half of the $121 million it has budgeted to improve LAX to handle the A380 by enlarging taxiway and runway intersections and building a double-deck gate at the Tom Bradley International Terminal

The super-jumbo jet lands as another airplane departs

Airbus A380 pilots wave to a crowd

The first Airbus A380 glides into LAX this morning after a nonstop flight from France

Engineers from Qantas Airways check out the newly arrived Airbus A380 on the tarmac at LAX

Los Angeles Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa grabs the throttle of the first Airbus A380 passenger plane to visit LAX
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Old March 20th, 2007, 04:55 AM   #1130
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very cool cant waint to see it in JFK
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Old March 20th, 2007, 11:37 PM   #1131
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Video of the O'hare Landing:
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Old March 21st, 2007, 01:35 AM   #1132
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is really BIG
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Old March 21st, 2007, 06:41 AM   #1133
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Is it true this new airplane has 24 starbucks, 10 walmarts, and 2 movie theaters?
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Old March 21st, 2007, 01:33 PM   #1134
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Size matters


Size matters
World's largest passenger jet -- the Airbus 380 -- makes big O'Hare debut

March 21, 2007
BY LEWIS LAZARE Marketing Columnist

The big bird has landed. And make no mistake. The double-decker Airbus 380, which made its maiden voyage to O'Hare Airport Tuesday, is BIG -- inside and out.

At its tallest point, the plane towers 24 stories above the airport tarmac. It's nearly as long as a football field, and the plane's wingspan stretches even farther. At takeoff, the wings actually rise a remarkable 12 feet as they absorb the plane's mind-boggling 1.2 million-pound weight when fully loaded

The plane's cabin seems to go on forever. The version of the aircraft that landed at O'Hare has four dedicated cabins on the first deck and another four on the upper level, for a total capacity of 519. Stripped of most of the cabin frills that are expected to be a hallmark of the A380 when it goes into service in 2009, the plane could carry more than 800 people, about twice as many as a Boeing 747.

The A380's arrival at O'Hare was a big event for the city and everyone interested in the future of commercial aviation. Hordes of television cameramen collected in the afternoon chill to film the A380 as it gently touched down. A traffic jam erupted on nearby Mannheim Road as drivers slowed to gawk at the giant bird in its blue and white Airbus livery.

When the A380 had parked on a stretch of tarmac, hundreds of airport workers immediately surrounded it.

Only a handful of U.S. airports besides O'Hare are virtually ready to accommodate the giant jet: New York's Kennedy, Los Angeles, San Francisco and Washington Dulles.

After the O'Hare stop Tuesday, the jet returns to Frankfurt, Germany, via New York.

You'll have to wait to try it out. Lufthansa is planning to start using the A380 for regular commercial flights into O'Hare in 2009. The first jet will be delivered to Singapore Airlines, which expects to start flights by the end of the year.

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Old March 21st, 2007, 02:48 PM   #1135
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Chicago's 1rst A380 touchdown

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A Lufthansa Airbus A380, the world's largest aircraft, lands at O'Hare Airport on Tuesday March

Spectators near the post office on Irving Park Road in Chicago watch the Airbus A380 land at O'Hare

The Airbus A380 lands at O'Hare International Airport Tuesday

Nuria Fernandez, Chicago Department of Aviation Commissioner, holds a press conference in front of the new Airbus A380 after it landed at O'Hare International Airport on Tuesday, March 20, 2007 in Chicago.
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Did they put a 747 near it to see the difference?
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Does anyone know the A380's tentative US schedule?
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Old March 22nd, 2007, 11:32 PM   #1138
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I was in Frankfurt when the A380 landed the first time on a commercial airport but we couldn`t get that close to the plane. That really sucked.

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Old March 23rd, 2007, 05:40 AM   #1139
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Greatest airplane ever made!!
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