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Old March 21st, 2010, 08:42 AM   #1601
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Old March 21st, 2010, 12:05 PM   #1602
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The A380 is amazing, but, do you relly think is an airplane made for the future??
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Old March 21st, 2010, 04:47 PM   #1603
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I think Quantas but don't sure......
Yep, that's Qantas.
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Old March 21st, 2010, 06:44 PM   #1604
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202 orders and 26 completed/operational according to the company itself (link). The manufacturing is not that slow anymore but can it go any faster?

It seems like no U.S Airlines are ordering yet (link). I guess they prefer the Dreamliner.
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Old March 22nd, 2010, 12:39 PM   #1605
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202 orders and 26 completed/operational according to the company itself (link). The manufacturing is not that slow anymore but can it go any faster?

It seems like no U.S Airlines are ordering yet (link). I guess they prefer the Dreamliner.
US Gov invest some dollars on it so i think they are expecting the US and Asia Carriers will order the dreamliner...
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Old March 22nd, 2010, 10:00 PM   #1606
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202 orders and 26 completed/operational according to the company itself (link). The manufacturing is not that slow anymore but can it go any faster?

It seems like no U.S Airlines are ordering yet (link). I guess they prefer the Dreamliner.
Most American companies fly shorter distances (inner-national instead of inter-national) and thus the need for long distance airplanes is not very high compared to other airlines around the world.

Secondly, US carriers are strapped for cash and trying to cut costs. Placing $300 million+ for a single aircraft is out of their cash reserves.


However in the long term, using A380s means you can carry more passengers per flight, which in term may cause less congestion at airports. The drawback to this is since you don't have as many planes flying, you wont have as many flight times which may be bad for passengers who want to fly at specific times during the day.

Still, I would like to see some US companies operate the A380, possibly flying it from NYC-LA and out of country. Its also a greener and thus may up the reputation of the airline that uses it.
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Old March 23rd, 2010, 04:36 AM   #1607
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Most American companies fly shorter distances (inner-national instead of inter-national) and thus the need for long distance airplanes is not very high compared to other airlines around the world.

Secondly, US carriers are strapped for cash and trying to cut costs. Placing $300 million+ for a single aircraft is out of their cash reserves.


However in the long term, using A380s means you can carry more passengers per flight, which in term may cause less congestion at airports. The drawback to this is since you don't have as many planes flying, you wont have as many flight times which may be bad for passengers who want to fly at specific times during the day.

Still, I would like to see some US companies operate the A380, possibly flying it from NYC-LA and out of country. Its also a greener and thus may up the reputation of the airline that uses it.
On average, U.S. airline companies are purchasing more planes than any other country (check airliner.net or wikipedia). Instead of purchasing the A380, they are purchasing other jets such as the Boeing 777-2LR (farthest range of any jet and it only has two engine, brilliant-small engineering), B777-3, B787 and even France's own Airbus 330 series. Many companies do not see how the A380 can be fully utilized in their route and until then, the Boeing 777, which is more fuel efficient and have longer range is a better choice for most companies. Four engined aircraft such as the A380, B747, A340 isn't a popular choice anymore.
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Old March 23rd, 2010, 06:44 AM   #1608
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very nice pics, like the night mode on QF 380
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Old March 24th, 2010, 05:56 PM   #1609
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Old March 24th, 2010, 05:58 PM   #1610
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Old March 24th, 2010, 07:29 PM   #1611
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Its missing quite of few of planes from both sides. Where are the Airbus 340-600, Airbus 330-300, Boeing 767-400, Boeing 777-200LR Boeing 747-8F?
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Old March 24th, 2010, 08:23 PM   #1612
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Nice comparison! The A380 is clearly the king of the aircraft world.

Boeing should make this to compete with the A380 instead of the 747-8:
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Old March 25th, 2010, 04:03 AM   #1613
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I think that a narrow upper-deck like that will not be so useful...
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Old March 25th, 2010, 07:08 AM   #1614
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Old March 25th, 2010, 07:12 AM   #1615
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Charges wallop EADS, A380 superjumbo woes persist

By Tim Hepher and Matthias Blamont Tim Hepher And Matthias Blamont – Tue Mar 9, 5:30 am ET


PARIS (Reuters) – Airbus parent EADS fell to a heavy 2009 loss and axed its dividend as production niggles on its A380 superjumbo swelled provisions and dampened the outlook for this year, despite signs of an aviation recovery.

The Franco-German group also ruled out a solo bid for a lucrative U.S. tanker contract after partner Northrop Grumman dropped out of the race, leaving U.S. planemaker Boeing as the only bidder.

The tanker setback and the specter of continued difficulty containing costs on its A380 superjumbo, as airlines order customized features, left EADS shares 4.9 percent lower at 0920 GMT on Tuesday.

Its earnings included a previously announced charge of 1.8 billion euros ($2.4 billion) for its share of a European bailout for the A400M military transport, agreed last week, but EADS also took a 240 million knock from costs on the A380, the world's largest airliner.

And while EADS was confident enough in a nascent aviation recovery to plan an increase in single-aisle Airbus A320 production from December, it said the A380 would continue to weigh "substantially" on core earnings this year.

EADS said it expected roughly stable revenue and an operating profit of around 1 billion euros in 2010.

Chief executive Louis Gallois told reporters Northrop's withdrawal from the tanker tender meant "We have no chance to win in the competition in these conditions."

Airbus chief executive Tom Enders also dampened talk of an independent European bid, barring a change in the situation.

"I leave the political assessment to others. For me it is clear, however, that under the current conditions a bid makes no economic sense for Airbus," he told Reuters by email.

"The outlook for 2010 is very disappointing due to deteriorating (currency) hedge rates and further A380 problems," said DZ Bank analyst Markus Turnwald.

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The world's second-largest aerospace group after Boeing posted a 2009 net loss of 763 million euros and an operating loss of 322 million, a far cry from net profit of 1.57 billion and an operating surplus of 2.8 billion in 2008.

"The A380 continued to weigh heavily on the underlying performance," EADS said in a statement, adding it had also suffered exceptional foreign exchange effects.

Total currency effects hit 2009 earnings before interest and tax by 2.5 billion euros compared to 2008, it said.

EADS excludes some exceptional items and goodwill from its standard reporting of operating income, but has recently used another yardstick stripping out other one-off items such as the A400M to allow investors to gauge its underlying business.

Such operating earnings before one-offs generated a 2.2 billion euro profit in 2009, beating company forecasts of 2 billion. Weakness in commercial aerospace was offset by strength in defense including higher Eurofighter export deliveries.

Analysts polled by Reuters before the A400M deal was finalized had expected a 2009 operating profit before one-offs of 694 million euros and a net loss of 43 million.

In a surprise move, EADS said Airbus would restore output of its most popular A320 family of single-aisle planes to 36 from 34 a month in December.

However, it said it had used up some of the "buffers" in development of its future mid-sized A350.

"I feel we can now turn our attention to growth again," Gallois told analysts.

U.S. rival Boeing, whose 2009 profit beat forecasts, said last month it was seeing improved demand for jetliners.

(Editing by James Regan and Dan Lalor)

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Old March 25th, 2010, 07:14 AM   #1616
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The article in full... http://www.airspacemag.com/flight-to...uperjumbo.html
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Old March 25th, 2010, 08:38 PM   #1618
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the super clipper looks scary.
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It looks like a joke.
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Old March 27th, 2010, 06:21 PM   #1620
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It looks like a joke.
Maybe so, but the article does make a point. Bigger planes are more efficient at carrying things/people than several smaller ones to a certain extent.

Problem is that planes the size of the Star Clipper would require entirely new airport infrastructure, or brand new airports altogether with runways several times the size of airports today.
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