LAPSSET Corridor (Lamu Port & transport corridor) | $23billion | U/C

[KaiserSoze]

Originally Posted by Dhuks

So true, Ethiopia are way ahead. Check this

from
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showth...1068819&page=2

Wow! Ever seen a diagram way out of scale before? It looks just like the one Somalia unveiled depicting Mogadishu in 2020. If I was a government official in charge of approving mega infrastructure projects, I would have thrown that one in the dustbin.

[donddon]

Originally Posted by KaiserSoze

Wow! Ever seen a diagram way out of scale before? It looks just like the one Somalia unveiled depicting Mogadishu in 2020. If I was a government official in charge of approving mega infrastructure projects, I would have thrown that one in the dustbin.

Maybe this is a better pic of the completed project.I must say I too found that lender a little wanting but after seeing the completed project...not so bad.

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpo...postcount=2602

[Tom 958]

Originally Posted by Adm.Adama

This swiss is full of mountains and yet they were able to create the worlds biggest underground train tunnel thru the alps.Funding is gonna happen the chinese will dump there money here and many will follow kenya has oil and gold in our northern regions the lamu port will also cater to our needs and the needs of central rich africa.

Yeah, well, Switzerland is one of the richest countries in the world, and when their trans-Alpine tunnels open, they serve as a central link in a vast network of rails blanketing (rich, populous) Europe. In contrast, this proposal isn't integrated with much of anything, and the area it serves is far from rich.

[JARIBU]

I am hoping that those skeptical of this project have taken time to read the feasibility study and master plan. If they have not, then here is a link.

http://www.savelamu.org/wp-content/u...ve-Summary.pdf

Originally Posted by Tom 958

Yeah, well, Switzerland is one of the richest countries in the world, and when their trans-Alpine tunnels open, they serve as a central link in a vast network of rails blanketing (rich, populous) Europe. In contrast, this proposal isn't integrated with much of anything, and the area it serves is far from rich.

[donddon]

Originally Posted by Adm.Adama

This swiss is full of mountains and yet they were able to create the worlds biggest underground train tunnel thru the alps.Funding is gonna happen the chinese will dump there money here and many will follow kenya has oil and gold in our northern regions the lamu port will also cater to our needs and the needs of central rich africa.

ON A SIDE NOTE

watch this space...Kenya's economy will grow and be steady without the "added" income from mining .Once the constitution is "strong" or after the elections whereby the "thieves and corrupt" realize that they can not get away with shady deals,contracts and tender awards then Kenya will start mining....this will push Kenya's economy to in my uneducated guess unprecedented highs.With talks of a steel mill being put up and god knows what other manufacturing industries being introduced, Kenya will be a country to watch in Africa.

[Adm.Adama]

Originally Posted by Tom 958

Yeah, well, Switzerland is one of the richest countries in the world, and when their trans-Alpine tunnels open, they serve as a central link in a vast network of rails blanketing (rich, populous) Europe. In contrast, this proposal isn't integrated with much of anything, and the area it serves is far from rich.

Well the port is for the future of kenya because its gonna open up climate zones which have never been tapped into

[brayo]

Originally Posted by donddon

ON A SIDE NOTE

watch this space...Kenya's economy will grow and be steady without the "added" income from mining .Once the constitution is "strong" or after the elections whereby the "thieves and corrupt" realize that they can not get away with shady deals,contracts and tender awards then Kenya will start mining....this will push Kenya's economy to in my uneducated guess unprecedented highs.With talks of a steel mill being put up and god knows what other manufacturing industries being introduced, Kenya will be a country to watch in Africa.

I agree 100%. While i would be happy for Kenya to discover huge mineral or oil reserves, I dont think this is the right time coz it would end up being a curse due to the corrupt leadership in Kenya. Kenya has done well without the mining industry and I think we can still do better even without it. What we should focus on is leveraging our geographical position by improving infrastructure and making it easier to do business in Kenya. Rwanda doesnt have much but it has made huge gains and I believe Kenya can do the same.

[areba]

Originally Posted by Tom 958

Yeah, well, Switzerland is one of the richest countries in the world, and when their trans-Alpine tunnels open, they serve as a central link in a vast network of rails blanketing (rich, populous) Europe. In contrast, this proposal isn't integrated with much of anything, and the area it serves is far from rich.

Come On Brother! are you implying construction will only be funded from the coffers of the country? we are talking about at least three countries as direct sponsors, one with about 80 million people and an economy growing like hell. When you make blanket statements like (this proposal is not integrated with much of anything), you show how keenly you have looked at it. All I can say is..... goss can afford to stop oil production, do you think it only affects its internal budget? have you thought of the many current and potential suitors whom 350,000 barrels a day means life and death to their industries? have you thought how small a favour building a ¬1200 km oil pipeline and associated infrastructure is to them?

FYI lamu is nearer than msa, after lamu garsen, garsen garissa, Nairobi by road is sorted.... Infrastructure for handling oil in lamu is almost complete, truckloads and truckloads of pipes have already been delivered for the internal network of piping to handle the various products... and were here still speculating on feasibility?

[Adm.Adama]

Originally Posted by areba

Come On Brother! are you implying construction will only be funded from the coffers of the country? we are talking about at least three countries as direct sponsors, one with about 80 million people and an economy growing like hell. When you make blanket statements like (this proposal is not integrated with much of anything), you show how keenly you have looked at it. All I can say is..... goss can afford to stop oil production, do you think it only affects its internal budget? have you thought of the many current and potential suitors whom 350,000 barrels a day means life and death to their industries? have you thought how small a favour building a ¬1200 km oil pipeline and associated infrastructure is to them?

FYI lamu is nearer than msa, after lamu garsen, garsen garissa, Nairobi by road is sorted.... Infrastructure for handling oil in lamu is almost complete, truckloads and truckloads of pipes have already been delivered for the internal network of piping to handle the various products... and were here still speculating on feasibility?

Nice to find yo here areba haha its me adama

[Kisumu Ndogo]

Originally Posted by donddon

ON A SIDE NOTE

watch this space...Kenya's economy will grow and be steady without the "added" income from mining .Once the constitution is "strong" or after the elections whereby the "thieves and corrupt" realize that they can not get away with shady deals,contracts and tender awards then Kenya will start mining....this will push Kenya's economy to in my uneducated guess unprecedented highs.With talks of a steel mill being put up and god knows what other manufacturing industries being introduced, Kenya will be a country to watch in Africa.

This is all good, but I am afraid it might be a little difficult to get a short-term sweeping overhaul of Kenya's Who-is-Who political ruling-elite since the same old corrupt ridden honchos of just-independent Kenya.. are still the wealthy lords of impunity, corruption et al today. Unless something urgent is done we probably should device an Italian mafioso kind of business culture of incorporating development with (sleaze)?

[Malaika254]

Originally Posted by Kisumu Ndogo

This is all good, but I am afraid it might be a little difficult to get a short-term sweeping overhaul of Kenya's Who-is-Who political ruling-elite since the same old corrupt ridden honchos of just-independent Kenya.. are still the wealthy lords of impunity, corruption et al today. Unless something urgent is done we probably should device an Italian mafioso kind of business culture of incorporating development with (sleaze)?

+1 (bar the Italian mafioso part).

[abckris]

Originally Posted by Malaika254

+1 (bar the Italian mafioso part).

If you travel around African countries you are likely to hear how good people talk of the LAPSSET project and hold it in high esteem. It is awesome!! So let those charged with implementing it not let us, countrymen and women down in this project. Africa is looking up to us. Can you imagine a project that will enable Cameroon (west Africa)-bound cargo to be offloaded on the Kenyan coast because it will be cheaper to transport it on rail rather than go round and into the Atlantic ocean coast of West Africa. People are talking in Africa. Let kenya implement and make it real!!

[Mintali]

true, to me, this is Kenya's most ambitious project. its going to change Kenya.

[Adm.Adama]

1+ 1+ this project is us kenyans being ambitious we are the gateway to eastern and western africa so people welcome to a new age the pressure is on for the Gok to begin the lamu project and nothing internal and external will derail it watch this space in 18months we are gonna have Africa's biggest port on our doorstep.

[kaguangi1]

http://www.topprojectsinafrica.com/node/16

[Adm.Adama]

If you look at a map of africa kenya is actually geographically cappable of handling such a port link with western africa no other country is capable of that on the eastern seaboard of africa so lamu will be shunting freight all of west/north africas exports and imports to asia/australia and the western seaboard of africa will be shunting eastern african freight to south/north America wow this project is great.

[SE9]

Lamu port deal leaves Khartoum feeling put out
The East African
17 March 2012

Sudan has voiced concerns that the commissioning of the Lamu Port and several other key infrastructure projects in the Horn of Africa risk undermining its economy, a sign that Khartoum is increasingly feeling isolated from the region.

Sudan’s deputy head of mission in Nairobi said there was a plan to alienate the country from the regional economy. Ali Mahmoud Abdurrasoul, the Sudanese Minister for Finance and National Economy, said that out of the nine infrastructure projects under the Inter-Governmental Authority on Development (Igad), only two included Khartoum, with the majority involving Kenya, Ethiopia, Uganda and now Somalia.

Khartoum officials said the country has tabled a complaint of economic sabotage with the African Union team handling its negotiations with Juba.

The new pipeline deal came only months after the East Africa Community declined Khartoum’s application to join the bloc, while agreeing to admit South Sudan as an observer member.

It is such developments that convince Khartoum of the ill intentions of the EAC member countries. The commissioning of the Lamu project is realigning East Africa’s geopolitics. Khartoum views the planned crude oil route as a plan to sabotage its economy, while a senior Ugandan official said the pipeline’s route should be extended to connect the country’s new oil fields.

Sudanese officials attending a regional infrastructure conference in Nairobi last week said the alternative pipeline from Juba to Lamu will make existing pipelines and refinery in the country redundant.

Dire situation

“We are concerned that the pipelines will be a loss for us. It’s a win-lose situation and not a good way to encourage regional economic integration. It is not good for regional politics,” said Hassan Elashi, chairman of the Sudan Chamber of Commerce at the conference on infrastructure and investment organised by Igad.

Khartoum officials appear to have been caught unawares by the swiftness with which Kenya, South Sudan and Ethiopia moved to commission the mega Lamu project.

With the transfer of most of the undivided country’s oil fields to South Sudan, Khartoum has been banking on transport and refinery fees to fill up the revenue void left and to keep its Chinese-built oil infrastructure working. But, Kenya maintained the project is for the benefit of regional efforts to develop joint interconnecting infrastructure projects.

“It is important we make it clear that the idea of this port was floated four decades ago. It was not motivated by the differences between the North and the South. It should be celebrated as a new trade corridor,” said Kenya’s Transport Minister Amos Kimunya.
South Sudan officials said differences with Khartoum over crude transport and refining will take time to resolve and the preference is to have other alternative routes to transport the crude oil.

“South Sudan is very careful now and we cannot trust just anyone. We want to have as many alternative routes as possible,” said Ngiol Bol, Director General of Rail and the Ministry of Transport in South Sudan.

Uganda put out too

Like Khartoum, Uganda too is seeking explanations from Kenya on why it was not adequately consulted and involved in the project when it has made oil discoveries of commercial value.

“Kenya was aware of our oil discovery and should have carried out wider consultations with us,” said Uganda Minister of Energy and Mineral Development Irene Muloni.

Uganda said it has started engaging Kenyan officials so that the design of the pipeline also links up the country’s oil fields.

“Discrimination against Sudan will not be tolerated. It is not fair that Sudan is a member of Igad but most projects leave out Sudan,” said Mr Abdurrasoul.

Mayom Kuoc Malek, Deputy Transport Minister in South Sudan, was however insistent that as a landlocked country, it would make sense for Juba to diversify her routes to the outside world.

“We need to have a pipeline in friendly countries that will not destabilise the transportation of our products.,” said Mr Malek, who noted that the resumption of the Northern oil route depends on what happens politically in the near future, and especially in the on-going negotiations in Addis Ababa.

[xJamaax]

“Kenya was aware of our oil discovery and should have carried out wider consultations with us,” said Uganda Minister of Energy and Mineral Development Irene Muloni.

I thought it's Uganda that is supposed to consult Kenya than the other way round.

[Kabul-Guy]

Originally Posted by xJamaax

I thought it's Uganda that is supposed to consult Kenya than the other way round.

Why is Uganda complaining when it has initiated and signed its own transport corridor with Tanzania via Tanga port? They were diversifying and it makes no sense to use Lamu if they were unsatisfied with Kenya's Performance (read Kenya's politics)....

But to be fair to Uganda, Mombasa has left a lot to be desired lately with their below par performance and continuous list of excuses! It's so bad that they were covered in March edition of the African Business Magazine.

My two cents is...Uganda should be included as they will help finance the project, lower the cost and increase the partnership such that few wannabes in the region intending to sabotage the project (read al-Shabab, Eritrea) will think twice at upsetting regional powers invested in the project...It's good for the economics and it is also good for the politics. It will help keep Sudan away for the same reasons (you all know how upset they were at being "left out")

[Dhuks]

Originally Posted by Kabul-Guy

Why is Uganda complaining when it has initiated and signed its own transport corridor with Tanzania via Tanga port? They were diversifying and it makes no sense to use Lamu if they were unsatisfied with Kenya's Performance (read Kenya's politics)....

But to be fair to Uganda, Mombasa has left a lot to be desired lately with their below par performance and continuous list of excuses! It's so bad that they were covered in March edition of the African Business Magazine.

My two cents is...Uganda should be included as they will help finance the project, lower the cost and increase the partnership such that few wannabes in the region intending to sabotage the project (read al-Shabab, Eritrea) will think twice at upsetting regional powers invested in the project...It's good for the economics and it is also good for the politics. It will help keep Sudan away for the same reasons (you all know how upset they were at being "left out")

The stakes are different; with OIL it wants to be accorded respect