LAPSSET Corridor (Lamu Port & transport corridor) | $23billion | U/C

[desert burner]

Originally Posted by maasai1

Aluminium is one of the most difficult metals to extract and refine from Bauxite ore. It requires a lot of water and extreme amount of electric energy to smelt, hence the 2000MW power consumption.

thanks good education for me

[Kreed]

Originally Posted by The Rev Paul Whicker

Obviously they are not that qualified.

It just doesnt stack up.

Surely its better to have a duel purpose for the new train line,ie. freight and passenger,in order to make more money.



More foot fall will be acheived if the line is between the 2 main cities.

Also more wealth is in the 2 main cities,which is important as tickets arent going to be cheap.

When as a nation you havent got much money its important to get it right,as you cant afford to throw money away.


A line between Nairobi and Mombasa would of course be cheaper as you already have a level line in place,and you own it.

Experts clearly dont always get it right,not the ones you lot have employed .

Also in regard to the planned cross continental lines, wouldn't it make more economical sense to have them connect to Nigeria rather than Cameroon? An oil pipeline in which would end in Cameroon rather than Nigeria, the oil and gas giant of the continent is just retarded planning, and a road and rail line in which would end in Cameroon instead of right across the boarder in Nigeria.. the economic giant of West-Central Africa, is just as asinine if you ask me.

[BUTEMBO21]

Originally Posted by Kreed

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Stop bringing Nigeria things here, keep it West africa. and for your info, Nigeria is not a central african giant. Angola is.

So please keep your pollution there.

Talk about Lamu Port.

[desert burner]

Originally Posted by BUTEMBO21

Stop bringing Nigeria things here, keep it West africa. and for your info, Nigeria is not a central african giant. Angola is.

So please keep your pollution there.

Talk about Lamu Port.

[Kreed]

Originally Posted by BUTEMBO21

Stop bringing Nigeria things here, keep it West africa. and for your info, Nigeria is not a central african giant. Angola is.

So please keep your pollution there.

Talk about Lamu Port.

First of all, I didn't say anything about Nigeria being a "Central African nation" and secondly there is no sensible way to refute what I've stated. The simple fact is that, if they are going to have the lines terminate in Cameroon, then they mine as well, instead had them terminate in Nigeria in which would make the project much more profitable.

[BUTEMBO21]

Originally Posted by Kreed

First of all, I didn't say anything about Nigeria being a "Central African nation" and secondly there is no sensible way to refute what I've stated. The simple fact is that, if they are going to have the lines terminate in Cameroon, then they mine as well, instead had them terminate in Nigeria in which would make the project much more profitable.

You will not deny anything. who wrote this? and for more of your info. Central africa imports or exports nothing to and from Nigeria. and Nigeria is not Central Central africa, its West africa. guess you need more geography classes.

So, Cetral african Giant my ass. LIKE I SAID, TALK ABOUT WHAT RELATED TO LAMU PORT. Are you blind or what?

Originally Posted by Kreed

Also in regard to the planned cross continental lines, wouldn't it make more economical sense to have them connect to Nigeria rather than Cameroon? An oil pipeline in which would end in Cameroon rather than Nigeria, the oil and gas giant of the continent is just retarded planning, and a road and rail line in which would end in Cameroon instead of right across the boarder in Nigeria.. the economic giant of West-Central Africa, is just as asinine if you ask me.

[kitayabi]

Kenyan economists need to be locked in a room with a calculator and not allowed out until they've figured out how to use it. Build a pipe line to Cameroon are you out of your mind, we are talking about a $20 billion investment for no obvious reason.

[BUTEMBO21]

Originally Posted by kitayabi

Kenyan economists need to be locked in a room with a calculator and not allowed out until they've figured out how to use it. Build a pipe line to Cameroon are you out of your mind, we are talking about a $20 billion investment for no obvious reason.

What with pipeline to Cameroun , where is it coming from?

[bh2010]

Originally Posted by kitayabi

Kenyan economists need to be locked in a room with a calculator and not allowed out until they've figured out how to use it. Build a pipe line to Cameroon are you out of your mind, we are talking about a $20 billion investment for no obvious reason.

I'm definitely not an economist, but aren't you guys just assuming that cameroon will continue to stagnate economically and that any investment in west/central africa will never produce any real return in the future,,, when, in fact, we really don't know what will be happening in those countries 10-20 years down the road. i mean, look at how quickly countries like kenya, sudan, ethiopia, and many others in ssa have changed in a mere decade. it's possible for cameroon to become the next Angola (which, by the way, practically transformed overnight) in the next decade and maybe this project will be the catalyst for that kinda growth.

I just don't think kenyan economists, who are more obsessed with growing their country's economy, and more so now than ever before, can just throw 20 billion dollars into a project without thinking hard about the return on such a massive investment first. And suggesting kenyan economists are retards who, in your own words, "need to be locked in a room with a calculator and not allowed out until they've figured out how to use it" is simply a reflection of your own personal bias against the country than anything else.

[kitayabi]

Originally Posted by bh2010

I just don't think kenyan economists, who are more obsessed with growing their country's economy, and more so now than ever before, can just throw 20 billion dollars into a project without thinking hard about the return on such a massive investment first. And suggesting kenyan economists are retards who, in your own words, "need to be locked in a room with a calculator and not allowed out until they've figured out how to use it" is simply a reflection of your own personal bias against the country than anything else.

Its extremely pathetic of you to try and make this racial. Am judging an economic project on its merits. If any economists come up with the idea of building a multi billion dollar pipeline for no obvious economic purpose then my reaction would be the same.

[kitayabi]

Originally Posted by BUTEMBO21

What with pipeline to Cameroun , where is it coming from?

The Kenyan Government is exploring the idea of extending a pipeline through Southern Sudan then on to CAR and then on to Cameroon for some mysterious reason.

[bh2010]

Originally Posted by kitayabi

Its extremely pathetic of you to try and make this racial. Am judging an economic project on its merits. If any economists come up with the idea of building a multi billion dollar pipeline for no obvious economic purpose then my reaction would be the same.

Okay bro, first of all, I wasn’t refering to “racial” concerns when I was pointing out the obvious biases you have against the east African region and some which you’ve made very clear throughout many EA threads. So, bringing race into the discussion says a lot about what those biases were all about…and I’m just as disgusted about that kind of thinking. Secondly, I don’t think the kenyan government is funding the entire project on their own. I remember reading something about it being a PPP initiative and that the GoK was already in talks with some private investors on various stages of the project. So if you think this project is stupid, shouldn’t you be blaming those investors who are willing to throw their money into those “hopeless” countries rather than slam the government of kenya whose only interest/ investment (the construction of the lamu port and expansion of useful infrastructural developments to open up business in remote parts of their country) seems to make economical sense to them? I mean, if an investor wants to finance the expansion of a railway/ pipeline into “hopeless” southern sudan, CAR, or cameroon, then that’s their own problem and I’m sure they’re well aware of the risks involved more than you would. I mean the chinese are dumping money into conflict-riden sudan and you’re bitching about someone investing in relatively stable countries?

[kitayabi]

Again attempt to maintain at least some standard in your responses when have I said Southern Sudan is "Hopeless" your speech marks imply that I've said that. If your points lack substance don't attempt to strengthen them by distorting what I've said

[desert burner]

boys cool down

[chiefayic2]

There is definitely something about constructing "a railway network connecting South Sudan, Ethiopia, Central Africa Republic and possibly Cameroon and Chad" on this thread.

But, pipeline to Cameroon.......Where is that mentioned?

[Kreed]

Originally Posted by BUTEMBO21

You will not deny anything. who wrote this? and for more of your info. Central africa imports or exports nothing to and from Nigeria. and Nigeria is not Central Central africa, its West africa. guess you need more geography classes.

So, Cetral african Giant my ass. LIKE I SAID, TALK ABOUT WHAT RELATED TO LAMU PORT. Are you blind or what?

Damn, I've obviously touched a nerve in my suggestion of that the lines be sent to Nigeria rather than WASTED in being sent to Cameroon. It's funny how you keep skirting around the main issue here, in which is the absolute FACT of that it's extremely bad planning to send these lines to stagnant Cameroon when you have the economic Giant of the entire western coast of Africa and the second largest in all of Africa (Nigeria) sitting right across the border.

It make absolutely no viable economical sense to do such a thing. Now if the line was being sent to like the Rep. of Congo or even Equatorial Guinea then I wouldn't of said anything, but the fact is that it's being sent to a location right across the boarder from Nigeria in Cameroon. Now a sensible person would think, "well hell, we mine as well direct it into Nigeria and generate much more profit off of this investment".

[UncleScrooge]

Originally Posted by BUTEMBO21

There are always delays on these kinds of projects, Congo's Port supposed to start this march-april, but was delayed because the Germans were still considering buiding it. But Korea got the final deal.

But i think Lamu Port will be great because of the increasingly growth from Inland (S Suadan, Uganda, Ethiopia, and more).

But it will all depend on the demand from the inner growth..

Don't know they didn't consider expanding Mombasa to make a massive port instead of building a brand new Port.

I'm a bit disappointed in that sense that one of the articles talked about February and I'm left wondering why the project hasn't taken off yet - what are the reasons, as I've found nothing new myself? I hope that there isn't some sort of trouble.

[Kenguy]

Originally Posted by UncleScrooge

I hope that there isn't some sort of trouble.

I don't think so. Only that such large projects usually take time. Especially due to encounters with 'red tape' along the way.

Of all the big projects proposed for Kenya, this one must rank at the top (together with the Kampala-Mombasa railway line). Mombasa can't be expanded any further than what they are doing under the current expansion programme (which may be the last). Most important, Mombasa isn't deep enough to accomodate the larger new generation of ships. The region will need a new port ASAP given that regional economic growth won't be slowing down anytime soon.

[BUTEMBO21]

Originally Posted by Kreed

Damn, I've obviously touched a nerve in my suggestion of that the lines be sent to Nigeria rather than WASTED in being sent to Cameroon. It's funny how you keep skirting around the main issue here, in which is the absolute FACT of that it's extremely bad planning to send these lines to stagnant Cameroon when you have the economic Giant of the entire western coast of Africa and the second largest in all of Africa (Nigeria) sitting right across the border.

Touch a nerve? no you didn't. Its simple. there are no reasons for you to bring your giant in this debate. where is Nigeria mentioned in the article?

Like i said, Nigeria is west africa Giant, not Central or East africa. So thats why you got to keep it in West africa.
Who cares about the West african Giant? they mentioned Cameroun. so keep that way.

It make absolutely no viable economical sense to do such a thing. Now if the line was being sent to like the Rep. of Congo or even Equatorial Guinea then I wouldn't of said anything, but the fact is that it's being sent to a location right across the boarder from Nigeria in Cameroon. Now a sensible person would think, "well hell, we mine as well direct it into Nigeria and generate much more profit off of this investment".

There you go again with your Nigerian fetish.

Empty berril make so much noise. I know most Nigerians don't like Cameroun.

But your are not even Nigerian, but skirting Nigeria around as if its some kind of a superpower.


Everyone knows the economist made no sense in mentioning pipeline to Cameroon. But stop you pollution with Nigeria . damn. what is wrong you? who cares. this is East african stuff.

[BUTEMBO21]

Originally Posted by Kenguy

I don't think so. Only that such large projects usually take time. Especially due to encounters with 'red tape' along the way.

Of all the big projects proposed for Kenya, this one must rank at the top (together with the Kampala-Mombasa railway line). Mombasa can't be expanded any further than what they are doing under the current expansion programme (which may be the last). Most important, Mombasa isn't deep enough to accomodate the larger new generation of ships. The region will need a new port ASAP given that regional economic growth won't be slowing down anytime soon.

Damn, Mombasa can't be expanded? Then Lamu will be built in soon. not worried.