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Old January 15th, 2012, 07:00 PM   #741
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Both cities have amazing pre-war buildings. Chicago's is less well known than NYC's, especially to people who are from outside the US and who don't have a good knowledge of late 19th century and early 20th century architecture.
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Old January 15th, 2012, 10:10 PM   #742
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Both cities have different strengths in pre-war buildings. For the Art Deco towers, no city in the world holds a candle to New York. Where Chicago wins is in the oldest skyscrapers, in the rich cluster of turn of the century buildings just south of the Loop and scattered gems that helped create the skyscraper, like the Rookery Building and Monadnock Building.

Also, both cities have similar preserved stretches. New York has Wall Street, Chicago has LaSalle Street. New York has Central Park South, Chicago has Michigan Avenue along Grant Park.
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Old January 16th, 2012, 02:29 AM   #743
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Realistically? Lol, you mean in your opinion. Maybe you should visit an Art Deco thread and find out where the most beautiful and also tallest pre war towers are located... begin with this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Categor..._New_York_City

There's absolutely no contest here. NY dwarfs Chicago by a large margin in terms of pre war buildings. And this is not an opinion, this is a fact.
Lol Obviously I meant my own opinion when I said realistically. But Prewar, I didn't know we where talking about prewar. I think they both have different strengths. Don't get me wrong New York has magnificent pre war buildings some better than Chicago's prewar building. Same for Chicago, some here is better than New Yorks pre war. I do think Chicago does a have slightly better pre war buildings though I Just think there better. That being said New York having better pre war buildings is not a fact. But an opinion if it was a proven fact every one would agree with it but not everybody agrees.
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Old January 17th, 2012, 12:32 PM   #744
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Old January 18th, 2012, 12:30 AM   #745
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Both cities have different strengths in pre-war buildings. For the Art Deco towers, no city in the world holds a candle to New York. Where Chicago wins is in the oldest skyscrapers, in the rich cluster of turn of the century buildings just south of the Loop and scattered gems that helped create the skyscraper, like the Rookery Building and Monadnock Building.

Also, both cities have similar preserved stretches. New York has Wall Street, Chicago has LaSalle Street. New York has Central Park South, Chicago has Michigan Avenue along Grant Park.
Chicago does not have a fraction of the pre-War towers that NY does. Nor does it have four centuries of architecture like NY.
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Old January 18th, 2012, 06:31 AM   #746
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Chicago's heart beats slower than NYC. It shares blood with Detroit. That's the difference, to me, and you can see it wherever you go.
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Old January 18th, 2012, 06:34 AM   #747
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Chicago does not have a fraction of the pre-War towers that NY does. Nor does it have four centuries of architecture like NY.
The vast portion of NYC is just as old as Chicago. That's because so much has been destroyed, and so very little remains of the earlier periods. Practially all of the elegant town houses that used to characterize much of lower Manhattan are gone without a trace.

And as is typical of many people here, you mistake quality for quantity. And why should quality be put into question when it is common knowledge with those of us not totally ignorant of the history of pre-war buildings in NYC and Chicago that the architects and builders of the very best exemplars worked in both cities?
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Old January 18th, 2012, 06:40 AM   #748
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Chicago's heart beats slower than NYC. It shares blood with Detroit. That's the difference, to me, and you can see it wherever you go.
That reminds me of one of my favorite quotes about a city:

Chicago is New York with the heart left in. (Grace Greenwood)
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Old January 18th, 2012, 07:18 AM   #749
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A fine Beaux-Arts exemplar by the Chicago (and later New York) architect Charles Birge.
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Old January 18th, 2012, 02:04 PM   #750
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The vast portion of NYC is just as old as Chicago. That's because so much has been destroyed, and so very little remains of the earlier periods. Practially all of the elegant town houses that used to characterize much of lower Manhattan are gone without a trace.

And as is typical of many people here, you mistake quality for quantity. And why should quality be put into question when it is common knowledge with those of us not totally ignorant of the history of pre-war buildings in NYC and Chicago that the architects and builders of the very best exemplars worked in both cities?
Hardly, all of Manhattan south of 42nd Street is a sea, several miles long and several miles wide, of pre-War buildings with limited post-wars mixed in. Moreover, the same holds true north of 59th street and west of 3rd Ave. Chicago has nothing like this vast area with thousands and thousands of pre-wars. Lastly, that's just Manhattan. Brookllyn provides yet another vast sea of old buildings.
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Old January 18th, 2012, 02:14 PM   #751
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Hardly, all of Manhattan south of 42nd Street is a sea, several miles long and several miles wide, of pre-War buildings with limited post-wars mixed in. Moreover, the same holds true north of 59th street and west of 3rd Ave. Chicago has nothing like this vast area with thousands and thousands of pre-wars. Lastly, that's just Manhattan. Brookllyn provides yet another vast sea of old buildings.

Anyone who suggests that Chicago even remotely compares to NY is disingenuous.
As I said, a lot of these buildings are NOT that old, so it is pointless to talk about 4 centuries of architecture, when a lot of it in both cities are pretty much the same age.

And as I said, don't get fixated about quantity, when it's quality you have to worry about.
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Old January 18th, 2012, 03:07 PM   #752
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Chicago's heart beats slower than NYC. It shares blood with Detroit. That's the difference, to me, and you can see it wherever you go.
Exactly my thoughts! I think Chicago is a city that is in dire need of catching up, development wise. New York City still seems to lead the world in development, every week we hear about a new proposed building, but in Chicago we keep hearing about failed proposals and cancelled buildings, even though the city passes anything that comes its way. Chicago is still beautiful, but it has a long way to go to ever reach NYC, and I don't think it'll ever happen.
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Old January 18th, 2012, 04:22 PM   #753
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As I said, a lot of these buildings are NOT that old, so it is pointless to talk about 4 centuries of architecture, when a lot of it in both cities are pretty much the same age.

And as I said, don't get fixated about quantity, when it's quality you have to worry about.
Hardly, NY has way over a thousand buildings from the 1800s, and probably at least 600 from before the Civil War. Chicago does not.

The quality in NY is second to none in the US.
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Old January 18th, 2012, 05:02 PM   #754
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Hardly, NY has way over a thousand buildings from the 1800s, and probably at least 600 from before the Civil War. Chicago does not.

The quality in NY is second to none in the US.
We are not talking here about tenements. That hardly counts for refined architecture.

And as I said. drop this fixation about quantity. It's quality that matters.
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We are not talking here about tenements. That hardly counts for refined architecture.

And as I asid. drop this fixation about quantity. It's quality that matters.
I'm not either. I'm also talking about quality. Get over your second city complex. Chicago can't hold a candle to NY in any respect.
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I'm not either. I'm also talking about quality. Get over your second city complex. Chicago can't hold a candle to NY in any respect.
You are trolling this thread, child. If you can't appreciate both cities for what they are, and insist on your childish ignorant prattle, then I suggest you do it elsewhere.

I live in NYC, and I love and appreciate it for what it is, and not for some idealized rubbish that people spout all the time on this forum, not to mention the likes of you. It is not my fault that you are ignorant of the city you praise so much, and, I might add, completely ignorant of Chicago.

But why should I waste my time on tripe such as you?
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You are trolling this thread, child. If you can't appreciate both cities for what they are, and insist on your childish ignorant prattle, then I suggest you do it elsewhere.

I live in NYC, and I love and appreciate it for what it is, and not for some idealized rubbish that people spout all the time on this forum, not to mention the likes of you. It is not my fault that you are ignorant of the city you praise so much, and, I might add, completely ignorant of Chicago.

But why should I waste my time on tripe such as you?
I lived near Chicago for 7 years, putz. Get over your second city complex.
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I lived near Chicago for 7 years, putz. Get over your second city complex.
"Near" is key. But ignorance is bliss.
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"Near" is key. But ignorance is bliss.
It sure is. It permits dolts like you to think that they live in the "Paris of the Midwest.". I laughed every time I heard that absurd delusion!
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Old January 18th, 2012, 06:40 PM   #760
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It sure is. It permits dolts like you to think that they live in the "Paris of the Midwest.". I laughed every time I heard that absurd delusion!
And why should I care if a turd laughs or not?

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