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Old January 18th, 2012, 07:46 PM   #761
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Why would Chicago ever need to worry about catching New York? It has its own set of strengths and difficulties, it is its own city, with a distinct culture and a distinct feel. Second City? Sure. But what need is there to take on the First City? Chicago doesn't have to answer to New York for anything; it is its own metropolis.

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Old January 18th, 2012, 08:14 PM   #762
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...It seems the only people who get touchy about Chicago being placed with New York are New Yorkers themselves...
I don't think this is the case. Real New Yorkers are quite confident and a great deal more knowledgable about other cities, Chicago included. But many people who come here without having seen the world let things go over their heads, and think that just being in NYC bestows on them a mantle of sophistication. These are the most insuperable.

But there seems to be a number of people in this forum who seem insecure about this whole comparison thing, let alone a lack of knowledge, formal or otherwise. Let it be. To paraphrase a saying: does a ship's captain care if the rats in the hold are comfortable or not?
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Old January 18th, 2012, 10:21 PM   #763
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Yikes, this really spiraled out of control in a relatively short period of time.

I'm curious to any Chicagoans, why is that the city has been so vertical during its life? It doesn't have the natural boundaries that concentrate Manhattan or Hong Kong, is it a combination of the fire leaving developers with a sort of blank slate and Chicago's role as a major steel producer for so long?

I feel like I should put this as a disclaimer so people know I don't mean that question as condescending. I've been to Chicago, and loveee it. I've been lucky enough to travel quite a bit, and it's easily one of my favorite places on earth and has the #1 skyline on the planet in my mind right now. It doesn't have the sheer scale of other cities, but it's remarkably compact, dense, insanely vertical, and has a gorgeous setting.
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Old January 18th, 2012, 11:51 PM   #764
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I don't think this is the case. Real New Yorkers are quite confident and a great deal more knowledgable about other cities, Chicago included. But many people who come here without having seen the world let things go over their heads, and think that just being in NYC bestows on them a mantle of sophistication. These are the most insuperable.

But there seems to be a number of people in this forum who seem insecure about this whole comparison thing, let alone a lack of knowledge, formal or otherwise. Let it be. To paraphrase a saying: does a ship's captain care if the rats in the hold are comfortable or not?
I have been to every continent except for Antartica and have concluded that NY, London, and Paris are -- by far -- the best cities on Earth, and no others compare. Shanghai might in the future but not yet. Chicago certainly does not.
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Old January 19th, 2012, 12:01 AM   #765
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Yikes, this really spiraled out of control in a relatively short period of time.

I'm curious to any Chicagoans, why is that the city has been so vertical during its life? It doesn't have the natural boundaries that concentrate Manhattan or Hong Kong, is it a combination of the fire leaving developers with a sort of blank slate and Chicago's role as a major steel producer for so long?

I feel like I should put this as a disclaimer so people know I don't mean that question as condescending. I've been to Chicago, and loveee it. I've been lucky enough to travel quite a bit, and it's easily one of my favorite places on earth and has the #1 skyline on the planet in my mind right now. It doesn't have the sheer scale of other cities, but it's remarkably compact, dense, insanely vertical, and has a gorgeous setting.
No worries. The problem is strictly limited to a few. Some people do have a marked preference for one city, but that's alright. It's those who can't brook comparisons between the two that are best ignored or laughed at, and discarded.

In the 19th century, the area of the Loop was actually hemmed in topographically by the lake and the river. But the concentration was primarily driven by the centralization of business and services brought about by the city becoming both THE major railway hub in the country, and THE terminus for Great Lakes shipping. The invention of the skyscraper in the late 1800s made possible such a concentration of business and services.
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Old January 19th, 2012, 12:47 AM   #766
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If you can't appreciate both cities for what they are, and insist on your childish ignorant prattle, then I suggest you do it elsewhere.
I appreciate both for what they are:

New York City = de facto capital of the WORLD in many respects

Chicago = middle America with some tall buildings
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Old January 19th, 2012, 12:49 AM   #767
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Chicago is more like a third city.

Los Angeles is number 2 in America.
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Old January 19th, 2012, 12:52 AM   #768
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Folks, I believe this is "The New York City and Chicago appreciation thread."

Please remove your heads from your asses.
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Old January 19th, 2012, 12:54 AM   #769
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Folks, I believe this is "The New York City and Chicago appreciation thread."

Please remove your heads from your asses.
We can appreciate Chicago for the middle American, McDonald's, 9-5 ham and egger oasis it is.
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Old January 19th, 2012, 01:00 AM   #770
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Shanghai might in the future but not yet.
Not until there are "Americantowns" and "Europeantowns" and 75% of highrises aren't commie blocks.

1. New York
2. London
3. Paris
4. Los Angeles
5. Tokyo
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Old January 19th, 2012, 01:44 AM   #771
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This is why I think Chicago is so underrated. Probably the most underrated alpha city in the world. Though I live in NYC, I have respect and adoration for Chicago. I even find it more beautiful overall and it definitely is not lacking when it comes to skyscrapers - be it in architecture, height, density, balance etc. It's a world class city that has been pushed to the back seat because it's constantly being compared to NYC, LA and even Toronto in the north. It's a great city in its own right hence the main purpose of this thread - not to compare it to NYC
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Old January 19th, 2012, 01:53 AM   #772
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Not until there are "Americantowns" and "Europeantowns" and 75% of highrises aren't commie blocks.

1. New York
2. London
3. Paris
4. Los Angeles
5. Tokyo
Nice list, but I disagree. Tokyo is in no way behind LA, are you mad? Tokyo blows that collection of housing estates out of the water in nearly every category besides location and weather.

Also, London and NY is a preference, either could go #1 unless this is a GDP game. London of course is the winner in the elegance and beauty side anyway, rail infrastructure and parks too.
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Old January 19th, 2012, 01:57 AM   #773
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besides location and weather.
Women
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Hollywood
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Old January 19th, 2012, 01:59 AM   #774
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No worries. The problem is strictly limited to a few. Some people do have a marked preference for one city, but that's alright. It's those who can't brook comparisons between the two that are best ignored or laughed at, and discarded.

In the 19th century, the area of the Loop was actually hemmed in topographically by the lake and the river. But the concentration was primarily driven by the centralization of business and services brought about by the city becoming both THE major railway hub in the country, and THE terminus for Great Lakes shipping. The invention of the skyscraper in the late 1800s made possible such a concentration of business and services.
Ahhh, that makes sense, I appreciate the answer. I had no idea about the topography. If I'm not mistaken 50% of the countries freight rail still passes through Chicago, or Chicago metro, it's crazy that its maintained that status, and hasn't suffered as much as other midwestern cities after loosing a great deal of its blue collar manufacturing jobs. Anyways, thanks for the answer.
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I have been to every continent except for Antartica and have concluded that NY, London, and Paris are -- by far -- the best cities on Earth, and no others compare. Shanghai might in the future but not yet. Chicago certainly does not.
Depends on what kind of person you are. Some people would adore Rome or Prague, and consider them far more interesting.

Anyway, since you are talking about these world full-on mega cities, you can't miss Tokyo IMO.
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Old January 19th, 2012, 02:04 AM   #776
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Hollywood? Not the place I hope. The industry I assume.

As a city LA is far behind Tokyo, I'm afraid to say.

LA needs to develop its center, then we can talk. Even then, Tokyo is just light years ahead on everything other than lifestyle preferences (beach, weather, etc).
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A note on Chicago, it is a very nice 3rd city in the USA. The skyline is supreme, but the feel on the ground doesn't quite feel as vibrant or energy intensive as one of the top global cities. I'd suggest Chicago focus on decreasing crime and developing more tourist friendly things to do. More interesting architecture would help. Stop building boxes. Take the Bilbao approach.

Someone mentioned Toronto. That city probably bests chicago in many areas.
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Old January 19th, 2012, 03:03 AM   #778
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Why would Chicago ever need to worry about catching New York? It has its own set of strengths and difficulties, it is its own city, with a distinct culture and a distinct feel. Second City? Sure. But what need is there to take on the First City? Chicago doesn't have to answer to New York for anything; it is its own metropolis.

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