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View Poll Results: Should there be a universal driving system?
DEFINITELY!!! (ON THE LEFT) 7 16.28%
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Old October 2nd, 2009, 10:14 AM   #121
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The system here is:

R - rider (motorcycle)
C - car
LR - light rigid
MR - medium rigid
HR - heavy rigid
HC - heavy combination
MC - multi-combination (road trains and B-doubles)

I have a class C.
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Old October 3rd, 2009, 09:52 AM   #122
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How did you get D1E if you don't have C?
In Bulgaria you can't get D if you don't have 2 years expirience with C.
...or five years with B? It used to be like that in Poland, but for some years one can obtain D without it, just that the training is long and expensive.
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Old October 3rd, 2009, 10:08 AM   #123
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In europe (can be some little difference between countries)
No, there cannot be differences among EU countries. And the ...1 class means you can drive a smaller vehicle:
A1: up to 125cm^3, and not stronger than 0.16 W/kg (0.10 lb per HP )
B1: only for Trabant and Mini Cooper 1)
C1: up to 7.5 tonnes
D1: up to 16 passengers

So A, C and D without the "1" mean you can drive anything in that class, without a trailer heavier than 750kg.


1) just kidding, no such class


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Old October 3rd, 2009, 11:34 AM   #124
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Old October 3rd, 2009, 11:46 AM   #125
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A + B

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Old October 4th, 2009, 02:04 PM   #126
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No, there cannot be differences among EU countries. And the ...1 class means you can drive a smaller vehicle:
Yes, but are those "1 classes" relevant? I've never heard of someone doing practical exam for C1 or D1.

Btw, there are also seperate classes for mopeds (AM) and agricultural vehicles (T) here.
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Old October 4th, 2009, 11:20 PM   #127
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I have a GDL 3, class E

The GDL is the graduated license program

level 1 is your learners permit which you can obtain at 15

level 2 is a partial license you get after you pass your drivers test but before you turn
18. with this license, you cannot drive between the hours of 11pm and 5am, talk on the cell phone, or have more than 2 other people under the age of 18. Also driving penalties are more severe and there is a zero tolerence policy on alcohol and tobacco, if your found in possesion, you lose your license.

level 3 is a full license, which you obtain after you turn 18, you have no more driving restrictions, however there is still a zero tolerence policy on alcohol and more severe penalties.

Finally you get your regular license at 21. Your license switches from being vertical to horizontal. There are no restictions and penalties are no longer more severe.

Class E means I can drive any non-commercial vehicle, except for motorcycles, which require another test.
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Old October 5th, 2009, 08:00 PM   #128
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Am, I may drive mopeds up to 50cc (OH MY GOD!! YEAH!!).
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Old October 7th, 2009, 05:51 PM   #129
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I have licence A (without limits) to drive the motorbike and licence B to drive car (and vehicles max 3.5 t).
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Old October 7th, 2009, 06:04 PM   #130
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Why do you need a truck drivers license (C/E) for over 3.5 tonnes in Europe, while a CDL is only required for over 11.8 tonnes in the United States?
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Old October 7th, 2009, 11:37 PM   #131
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Driving:
B
C1
BE
C1E
M
L
(all the stuff that was automatically included in a standard car driving license (Klasse 3) in Germany before EU standardisation)

Flying:
Sport Pilot License Hangliding
Sport Pilot License Ultralight (still working on this)
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Old October 8th, 2009, 01:42 AM   #132
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Why do you need a truck drivers license (C/E) for over 3.5 tonnes in Europe, while a CDL is only required for over 11.8 tonnes in the United States?
Because nobody wants to have to get a commercial drivers license just to drive their family minivan:
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Old October 8th, 2009, 02:35 AM   #133
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Isn't is strange (to some) how in the US you can (legally) get your driving license (in some states at least) without ever going to a driving school?

Is that even possible in any country in Europe?
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Old October 8th, 2009, 08:35 AM   #134
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Old October 8th, 2009, 10:06 AM   #135
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I don't know how it works but CDL seems more relevant when its about the safety of passengers. There was a controversy when a 15 passenger van owned a by church crashed, the driver had an ordinary license. But you can buy those vehicles for your family, so where are the rules drawn? Its a bit confusing to me.

Also graduated licenses strictly for teens, with the rules magically lifted at 18 or 21, sounds like a bad idea. It only encourages a society where teens are discouraged to learn by their parents until they can just walk in and obtain a license, somehow needing less instruction??

The wisest thing to do would be require graduated licenses for everyone regardless of age.

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Because nobody wants to have to get a commercial drivers license just to drive their family minivan:
If people have the money to buy these things, they'll sure have enough money for a CDL...

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Is that even possible in any country in Europe?
AFAIK, that is still possible possible in Belgium.

In the Netherlands the system is quite simple: you aren't alllowed to drive anything untill you've got your licence, and there's nothing between it. Nowadays people need to take about 40 to 45 lessons on average before they can do practical exam. The demands to pass the practical exam are considerably high, which is one of the reasons we have about the lowest traffic death rate in europe.

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Old October 9th, 2009, 10:45 AM   #137
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Also graduated licenses strictly for teens, with the rules magically lifted at 18 or 21, sounds like a bad idea. It only encourages a society where teens are discouraged to learn by their parents until they can just walk in and obtain a license, somehow needing less instruction??

The wisest thing to do would be require graduated licenses for everyone regardless of age.
Heh I agree. This is exactly the system that is used in Ontario. To get through the 2nd stage of the GDL, one has to do another road test, at any age (i.e. reaching a certain age does not make a difference). There are some additional night driving restrictions on teens, but it's a fairly minor point.
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Old February 5th, 2010, 09:28 PM   #138
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Driving age and driver's first licensing in your country

I'm a bit curious about worldwide driving age in other countries. So, tell us what are the minimum age in which a driver can get his/her license, and also tells us briefly how driver's licensing works for youngster getting their first permits.

Italy
Cars: after 18th birthday, new drivers get a license valid for 10 years. In the first 3 years, they cannot exceed 100km/h on motorways (blank limit = 130 km/h) and are subject to lower tollerance of alcohol in the blood (don't remeber the value, I never ever drive after dinking). From 2011, new drivers will be restricted from driving, in the first 365 after their licenses will have been issued, any car with power/weight ratio ver 50kW/ton.

Mopeds and quadricycles: free to drive after 14-years old wiht an "idoneity certificate", not needed after age 18 if you already have another motorbike's license.

Motorbikes/motorcycles: I complicated system is in place. From 16-years old on, it is possible to get a youth permit for cycles with less than 11 kW and engins between 75 and 125cc. After 18th birthday allows to drive any other 2-wheeled motor vehicle under these 11 kw and 75-125cc limits. Those restrictions are valid until age 21 or until the driver gets an independent permit for motorbikes.

Articulated vehicles: requires car permit + special permit, not available until age 21.

There are also another set of requirements for commercial drivers, but I'll skip those.
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Old February 5th, 2010, 10:20 PM   #139
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Since a few years, it is possible to start with driving lessons at age 17,5. You can only get the license after you've turned 18, and it is a full license from the beginning, without restrictions (B). A person of 18 years old is also eligible to obtain a commercial driver's license (C). I'm not sure about buses.

Dutch people are allowed to drive a moped after turning 16, only a theoretical exam about traffic regulation is needed. You don't need this if you have a driver's license.

One of the worst thing about the driving lessons is that you must comply with all traffic rules, you cannot speed. So, when learning to drive, you never learn to drive fast(er), but most young people are testing the top-speed of their first car anyway. I'd rather see a more practical approach to driving lessons. Not obeying all traffic rules all the time, but learning how to drive faster, because they will do that anyway. Most Dutch have no idea how to drive in Germany for instance, where speed limits are much higher. Learn to anticipate at high speed is essential in my opinion.
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Old February 5th, 2010, 11:40 PM   #140
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We can start from fifteen with a learners licence for either a moped/motorbike or a car. We have that for six months then we are able to go for our restricted and we have that for about a year before we can go for a full licence but it is legal to stay on a restricted for about six years before being able to go for a full licence.

Note: I see you are using American English. See if you can find the slight differences in the spelling of words.
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