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Old March 20th, 2011, 02:26 AM   #201
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yeah, me too!.. to be honest, i prefer the library tower as the tallest, but it have more than 20 years being the tallest on the west coast, so she needs some competition
I love the US Bank Building aka Library Tower, and it will always have a special spot in Agelenos tickers. But it's time to move on and expand, this complex will for ever change the dynamics of Downtown Los Angeles.
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OMG... it is beautiful ... but it seems like BofA and it's owners are putting their stamps on every city on this planet that does count, are they making a statement? or is it a sign?

I don't know, but I love this one for sure and visiting LA from time to time, being it my most favorite city across North America, I really want to see this one being built.
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I don't believe BofA has anything to do with this building.
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Old March 20th, 2011, 06:40 AM   #204
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I love the US Bank Building aka Library Tower, and it will always have a special spot in Agelenos tickers. But it's time to move on and expand, this complex will for ever change the dynamics of Downtown Los Angeles.
totally agree with you!.
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Old March 22nd, 2011, 05:31 AM   #205
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It shouldn't appear too much taller than the library tower. The highest couple hundred feet are just a spire, so it won't have a huge impact.
I'm not really sure about this statement. Not many people realize that downtown LA is quite hilly. Not only that but when it was redeveloped in the 70's, Bunker Hill (where a majority of DTLA's skyscrapers are built) was chopped in weird ways. Which is why Grand Ave is a VERY long and VERY steep hill and the next block over (Hill Street I want to say) is nice and level.

Cal Plaza 2 is the third tallest building in LA but due to it's position on Bunker Hill, appears nearly level with the US Bank Tower despite it being about 200 feet shorter.



Wilshire Grand sits at the base of a long sloping hill so depending on how you look at it, the redevelopment could appear to TOWER over US Bank or be just a few feet taller.
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I'm not really sure about this statement. Not many people realize that downtown LA is quite hilly. Not only that but when it was redeveloped in the 70's, Bunker Hill (where a majority of DTLA's skyscrapers are built) was chopped in weird ways. Which is why Grand Ave is a VERY long and VERY steep hill and the next block over (Hill Street I want to say) is nice and level.

Cal Plaza 2 is the third tallest building in LA but due to it's position on Bunker Hill, appears nearly level with the US Bank Tower despite it being about 200 feet shorter.

Wilshire Grand sits at the base of a long sloping hill so depending on how you look at it, the redevelopment could appear to TOWER over US Bank or be just a few feet taller.
Sure Cal Plaza 2 appears nearly level with the US bank tower when you are standing on Bunker hill, but from a distance it does not look anywhere close.

The location of the Wilshire Grand is actually lower in elevation than that of US bank which only adds to my statement that it will not appear much taller than US bank.
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Looks like 20m shoter as the us bank tower.
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Old March 25th, 2011, 09:15 PM   #208
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Story updated, 9:48 pm: Less than a week before the City Council is scheduled to vote on the Wilshire Grand hotel and office project, developer Hanjin/Thomas Properties released a rendering showing the nebulous-sounding "architectural lighting," the changing, LED lights planned for the upper portion of the two-tower skyscraper. According to Alix Wisner, project manager for the developer Thomas Properties, the release of the rendering, sent to reporters earlier this week, comes in response to questions from the media about what the architectural lighting will look like. The rendering was also released because of issues raised at last December's Planning Commission meeting (commissioners were stumped by how the architectural lighting would work, and rejected it (a decision that was later overturned).

For now, the "flowering vines" image seen on this rendering, is "just a concept," said Wisner. Yes, the upper part of towers are tentatively cleared for LED images (no logos, text, or advertising are allowed), but nothing is finalized in terms of a design. Might the Wilshire Grand get Stay Puft Marshmallow Man? Lightning bolts? Baby polar bears? Beyond promising that the images would be "artistic," Wisner couldn't say. “The technology is developing so quickly," she said, adding that decisions on graphics and imagery will come later, as will decisions on how the large digital advertising "skin" will play out on the bottom of the skyscraper (one inspiration for the lower advertisements is the Chanel building in Tokyo, says Wisner, but the ad on the Wilshire Grand would be less dense due to the larger spacing of the lights).
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I cant decide if I like the design or not.. It looks good in some renders and bad in others. The SSP Diagram looks terrible. I do know that I like how it is the same height as the ESB
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Old March 28th, 2011, 04:55 AM   #210
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Another super-tall would be a nice addition to the LA skyline, hope that this will spice up the areas around downtown; it is time for an upgrade.

But imo, this project will be no where as iconic as the Library Tower.
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Old March 30th, 2011, 06:40 AM   #211
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Council OKs elaborate digital light zone at Wilshire Grand
The rebuilt 45-story Wilshire Grand Hotel and 65-story office tower can have digital ads, scrolling text and non-commercial graphics that the developer says are 'the wave of the future' and a councilman calls 'art.'

By David Zahniser, Los Angeles Times
March 29, 2011, 7:15 p.m.

The Los Angeles City Council on Tuesday approved an elaborate package of new flashing signs, illuminated graphics and moving text for two planned downtown skyscrapers, ignoring critics who warned that such brightly lighted images would degrade the look of the city.

On a 12-0 vote, the council unanimously created a new one-block sign district for the planned 45-story rebuilding of the Wilshire Grand Hotel and accompanying 65-story office tower.

That district will allow various kinds of digital advertising on the first 10 floors of the two towers. The tops of the two skyscrapers will feature digital signs promoting the buildings' owner and major tenants. And on dozens of stories in between, LED lights would display noncommercial images such as flowers and vines that would fade in and out.

Councilman Ed Reyes praised the "architectural lighting" on the upper floors, saying it should not be confused with other brightly lighted billboards. "It is art. And I believe it adds more culture" to Los Angeles, he said.

Added Councilman Dennis Zine: "I am amazed at how anyone could be opposed to this."

The sign district is the first approved since the U.S. 9th Circuit Court of Appeal upheld the city's ban on new billboards last year. That law allows sections of the city to be carved out as exceptions to the ban.

Councilman Bill Rosendahl initially cast an opposing vote, saying the city should have found a way to share in the financial proceeds of the new digital advertising. But he essentially rescinded it minutes later to speed the project's approval. The council had already agreed to give developer Korean Air and its subsidiary, Hanjin International Corp., a tax break of up to $79 million for the two towers over the next 25 years. On Tuesday, council members also agreed to sell the developers more than $25 million in "floor area rights," which will allow the proposed office tower to be taller than the zoning allows.

Union members who packed the council chamber praised the hotel proposal, saying it would create roughly 7,300 construction jobs at a time of high unemployment. "This project is going to bring a lot of hope to a lot of members in our community," said David Kersh, spokesman for the Carpenters Contractors Cooperation Committee, a construction trade group.

Opponents of the sign district said they did not oppose the hotel's redevelopment, but argued that new flashing signs would barrage the public and, in some cases, distract motorists. "Digital billboards do not solve the unemployment in the city. Digital billboards will not increase tourism in our city," said Marina del Rey resident Jan Book, who voiced exasperation with the digital signs near her home.

The Wilshire Grand sign district is so complicated that it is divided into four vertical levels and three geographic subsections. Some lighted signs will change every eight seconds, others every four minutes. Still others will feature scrolling text.

The hotel proposal was backed enthusiastically by Councilwoman Jan Perry, a 2013 mayoral candidate who pushed hard for approval of the signs and images sought by Korean Air and its partner, Thomas Properties Group.

Perry persuaded her colleagues to double the size of the scrolling news ribbons that would be displayed on the first three floors of the towers. She and her colleagues tripled the amount of signage allowed by the Planning Commission, from 7,100 square feet to 30,900 square feet, between the fourth and 10th floors.

Perry also won approval of the noncommercial architectural lighting on the upper floors that had been opposed by the Planning Commission. Without those lights, the hotel would quickly become "dated," said Jim Thomas, chief executive of Thomas Properties Group.

"The signs we are talking about are the wave of the future," he said. "There will be no major building built in the future that does not take advantage of this new technology."
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Old March 30th, 2011, 09:30 AM   #212
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The smaller tower will be an office building.


no the smaller tower is the hotel and the taller one is the office building.

they will start demolishing the current hotel by the end of the year. the goal is to have the hotel completed by 2015 and the office tower by 2017.
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Old March 30th, 2011, 06:20 PM   #213
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Thats great news i like that caint of things. Only the 10 lowest floor is disappointing.
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Old March 31st, 2011, 01:51 AM   #214
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I wonder if this could lead to more skyscraper being retrofitted for lighting shows.
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Old April 1st, 2011, 04:38 AM   #215
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no the smaller tower is the hotel and the taller one is the office building.

they will start demolishing the current hotel by the end of the year. the goal is to have the hotel completed by 2015 and the office tower by 2017.
Yup, quick brain lapse. I Corrected myself right after.

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I'm sorry. It's the other way around. The Tall one is the office building and the short one will be a Hotel/Condo combination.

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I like how this is going to be really close to the freeway, and its going to light up. This is going to make LA look pretty impressive
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Old April 2nd, 2011, 08:58 PM   #217
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How tall is the roof?
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Old April 3rd, 2011, 10:56 PM   #218
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Does any one have renders of this view with the new building?
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Council OKs elaborate digital light zone at Wilshire Grand
The rebuilt 45-story Wilshire Grand Hotel and 65-story office tower can have digital ads, scrolling text and non-commercial graphics that the developer says are 'the wave of the future' and a councilman calls 'art.'

By David Zahniser, Los Angeles Times
March 29, 2011, 7:15 p.m.

The Los Angeles City Council on Tuesday approved an elaborate package of new flashing signs, illuminated graphics and moving text for two planned downtown skyscrapers, ignoring critics who warned that such brightly lighted images would degrade the look of the city.

On a 12-0 vote, the council unanimously created a new one-block sign district for the planned 45-story rebuilding of the Wilshire Grand Hotel and accompanying 65-story office tower.

That district will allow various kinds of digital advertising on the first 10 floors of the two towers. The tops of the two skyscrapers will feature digital signs promoting the buildings' owner and major tenants. And on dozens of stories in between, LED lights would display noncommercial images such as flowers and vines that would fade in and out.

Councilman Ed Reyes praised the "architectural lighting" on the upper floors, saying it should not be confused with other brightly lighted billboards. "It is art. And I believe it adds more culture" to Los Angeles, he said.

Added Councilman Dennis Zine: "I am amazed at how anyone could be opposed to this."

The sign district is the first approved since the U.S. 9th Circuit Court of Appeal upheld the city's ban on new billboards last year. That law allows sections of the city to be carved out as exceptions to the ban.

Councilman Bill Rosendahl initially cast an opposing vote, saying the city should have found a way to share in the financial proceeds of the new digital advertising. But he essentially rescinded it minutes later to speed the project's approval. The council had already agreed to give developer Korean Air and its subsidiary, Hanjin International Corp., a tax break of up to $79 million for the two towers over the next 25 years. On Tuesday, council members also agreed to sell the developers more than $25 million in "floor area rights," which will allow the proposed office tower to be taller than the zoning allows.

Union members who packed the council chamber praised the hotel proposal, saying it would create roughly 7,300 construction jobs at a time of high unemployment. "This project is going to bring a lot of hope to a lot of members in our community," said David Kersh, spokesman for the Carpenters Contractors Cooperation Committee, a construction trade group.

Opponents of the sign district said they did not oppose the hotel's redevelopment, but argued that new flashing signs would barrage the public and, in some cases, distract motorists. "Digital billboards do not solve the unemployment in the city. Digital billboards will not increase tourism in our city," said Marina del Rey resident Jan Book, who voiced exasperation with the digital signs near her home.

The Wilshire Grand sign district is so complicated that it is divided into four vertical levels and three geographic subsections. Some lighted signs will change every eight seconds, others every four minutes. Still others will feature scrolling text.

The hotel proposal was backed enthusiastically by Councilwoman Jan Perry, a 2013 mayoral candidate who pushed hard for approval of the signs and images sought by Korean Air and its partner, Thomas Properties Group.

Perry persuaded her colleagues to double the size of the scrolling news ribbons that would be displayed on the first three floors of the towers. She and her colleagues tripled the amount of signage allowed by the Planning Commission, from 7,100 square feet to 30,900 square feet, between the fourth and 10th floors.

Perry also won approval of the noncommercial architectural lighting on the upper floors that had been opposed by the Planning Commission. Without those lights, the hotel would quickly become "dated," said Jim Thomas, chief executive of Thomas Properties Group.

"The signs we are talking about are the wave of the future," he said. "There will be no major building built in the future that does not take advantage of this new technology."
Very very very interesting, it will be an instant landmark due to things like that. If it were being built in Europe, the speech would be exactly the opposite, waving the flag of economy and environment.
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