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Old December 10th, 2015, 01:40 AM   #2701
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It will not surpass US Bank. Spires do not count no matter how integrated they are into anything. Once you leave the highest regularly occupied level you get into "big [email protected] contest" fan boys trying to outdo each other. Wasteful and embarrassing.
Spires count Pest. Your opinion however, does not.
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Old December 10th, 2015, 05:24 AM   #2702
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This whole spire counts tord height debate is idiotic. As much as I don't like it, spires counts and we just have to live with it.
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Old December 10th, 2015, 06:42 AM   #2703
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What is cool is that it is the first structure to reach 1,100' in So Cal. Now when will we see a 1,100'+ proposal. Does downtown have a height limit below the FAA 2000' limit today.
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Old December 10th, 2015, 07:28 AM   #2704
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While I can't speak to municipal limits, there are practical limits to building in earthquake country. The additional reinforcements that make the WG possible do not come cheaply, and each additional floor is that much more expensive (that's on top of the already exorbitant costs of building at supertall heights and above, not to mention the land values of DTLA.)

Building taller is of course technically possible, but whether any developer would make the massive investment to do so is another question. Given that LA, SF and Seattle have all had 1200-footers proposed, and then reduced in height, my guess is that until construction methods become cheaper, a ~1000 ft roof height is the practical limit on the West Coast.
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Old December 10th, 2015, 07:42 PM   #2705
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They are all under the same intent. Intigrated into the design of the building. The size and placement doesn't affect the definition of a spire.There are so many tall buildings with them with so many shapes and sizes. Almost every tallest building in the world seems to use one and get extra height from one. Some people call the top floor the final height.
To a great degree, I agree with you. I have always thought the fairest way to go about it would be to either count everything- antennae, flagpoles, etc., or only count roof height.
Regardless, it is quite a stretch to call this spire integrated into the design- there is no transition between a flat roof, and the thin spire.
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Old December 10th, 2015, 11:36 PM   #2706
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To a great degree, I agree with you. I have always thought the fairest way to go about it would be to either count everything- antennae, flagpoles, etc., or only count roof height.
Regardless, it is quite a stretch to call this spire integrated into the design- there is no transition between a flat roof, and the thin spire.
The spire here transitions or extends from the sloped roof areas highest point on the east end.
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Old December 11th, 2015, 12:17 AM   #2707
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What is cool is that it is the first structure to reach 1,100' in So Cal. Now when will we see a 1,100'+ proposal. Does downtown have a height limit below the FAA 2000' limit today.
When the Wilshire Grand Center was first announced as a two tower project in April 2009, the taller tower was proposed at 1,250 feet.

The City of Los Angeles rescinded its height limit in 1957. While there is no height limit, the heights of buildings are largely governed by Floor Area Ratios (FARs) and Height Districts.

Height District No. 4, which downtown Los Angeles falls under, allows the maximum flexibility for tall structures with an FAR of 13:1.

This means that the buildable area of a site is based on a formula in which a building whose floor area/footprint occupies its entire site can rise to 13 floors.

If the floor area of a tower is reduced to one half of the project site, for example, it can rise to 26 floors. If reduced to one quarter of the project site, it can rise to 52 floors, etc.
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Old December 11th, 2015, 06:34 AM   #2708
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That's an interesting formula. Thanks for that insight.
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Old December 11th, 2015, 11:36 AM   #2709
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I apologize for the filthy windows. But just look at how big Wilshire Grand has become!

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Old December 11th, 2015, 07:53 PM   #2710
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As December 9th, 2015

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Old December 12th, 2015, 01:26 AM   #2711
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The core jumped today.
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Old December 13th, 2015, 07:46 AM   #2712
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Old December 14th, 2015, 08:05 PM   #2713
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Wilshire Grand & Skyline by Hunter, on Flickr

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Old December 15th, 2015, 03:51 AM   #2714
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Core:59
Steel: 55
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Old December 15th, 2015, 06:23 AM   #2715
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It's much higher than that. Probably closer to 71/72 for the core.
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Old December 15th, 2015, 06:28 AM   #2716
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I think the core is at 72
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Old December 15th, 2015, 07:32 AM   #2717
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I think the core is at 72
He is counting actual floors
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Old December 15th, 2015, 01:20 PM   #2718
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So nice to see LA getting a new supertall!
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Old December 16th, 2015, 02:25 AM   #2719
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Old December 16th, 2015, 03:24 AM   #2720
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