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Old September 14th, 2016, 07:15 AM   #3621
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The building is uninspired to begin with. This so called iconic skyscraper's footprint is rather small compared to the over-sized 4 story tent of a lobby/plaza and shops that seem awfully out of sync with the skyscraper. They should have designed the skyscraper to be much wider and added another high rise right next to it to compliment each other. What LA doesn't need is more plaza's or those hideous faux Italian staircases or palazzo's right next to skyscrapers.
Also,using the"spire"to make the building appear to be 1,100 feet tall is cheating on a Grand scale..
Moreover, flat tops are part of what makes downtown L.A. different. I wish the City would keep them, if for no other reason than to thwart the hubris-filled and alien UGLINESS of the Wilshire Grand Center!!!
Well, people have different tastes. Wilshire Grand is in my opinion by far the most impressive and best looking skyscraper in LA...
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Old September 14th, 2016, 10:39 AM   #3622
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Lol"!Transformer" architecture:A lame puny midget becomes the "tallest building west of the Mississipi"because of a flagpole!Almost as ridiculous as One WTC...
I guess Chinese laugh about us and i cry for my country....
Well,i have some hope for Chicago.
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Old September 14th, 2016, 05:26 PM   #3623
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..And it makes you happy!?
They ruined the skyline with that nasty flagpole and it makes me sick!
Wilshire"Grand"definitely does not have the means to fulfil it's ambitions.
Even the overall design is mediocre:reminds me of some subpar resort hotel of Panama city outskirts.
The Gensler designed Ritz-Carlton Hotel & Residences and JW Marriott at L.A. LIVE is MUCH(!!) better!!

No, man, not at all. I love the Library tower and most of the buildings in the city, but you know, time flies, and we all have to accept new things in life. I just said that because in that picture looks like a different city, that's all.
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Old September 14th, 2016, 06:14 PM   #3624
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You got the point!..it looks like a different city because Chris Martin wants to mimic NY.
I (Chelsea by the way!)want to preserve the glamorous linear LA fabric.
If you want to catch a glimpse of the unique LA Noire spirit try to read Robert Crais,Dashiell Hammett and of course the great Ellroy!Screen LA Confidential or Collateral!
...In Michael Mann's masterpiece (no one has ever filmed downtown LA like him!)tell me,please:do you see handsome Tom Cruise(yummy!)chasing King Kong on Grand Av?
Jeez!!..my coffee is cold and they talk about that criminal on the radio...Geoff Palmer!!..
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Old September 14th, 2016, 07:13 PM   #3625
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Ok Dahlia, you've gone from stating an opinion two pages ago to ranting at every post that is contradictory to yours, even though none have attacked you or even been negative.
Maybe time to ease up on the Starbucks.
You don't like WGT...that's fine. But unless you have something new to say, simply complaining about it in every post is getting very tiresome.
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Old September 14th, 2016, 08:16 PM   #3626
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Ok Dahlia, you've gone from stating an opinion two pages ago to ranting at every post that is contradictory to yours, even though none have attacked you or even been negative.
Maybe time to ease up on the Starbucks.
You don't like WGT...that's fine. But unless you have something new to say, simply complaining about it in every post is getting very tiresome.
lol!..i guess you are right but but as i am the only one to voice my despair!...
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Old September 15th, 2016, 02:45 AM   #3627
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Imgur is having issues today, trying this again

Wilshire Grand is taking its place in the skyline. Plus tons of other projects to see in this BIG panorama ---------------------------->>>>>>>

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Old September 15th, 2016, 06:12 AM   #3628
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The building is uninspired to begin with. This so called iconic skyscraper's footprint is rather small compared to the over-sized 4 story tent of a lobby/plaza and shops that seem awfully out of sync with the skyscraper. They should have designed the skyscraper to be much wider and added another high rise right next to it to compliment each other. What LA doesn't need is more plaza's or those hideous faux Italian staircases or palazzo's right next to skyscrapers.
Also,using the"spire"to make the building appear to be 1,100 feet tall is cheating on a Grand scale..
Moreover, flat tops are part of what makes downtown L.A. different. I wish the City would keep them, if for no other reason than to thwart the hubris-filled and alien UGLINESS of the Wilshire Grand Center!!!
Actually the old design featured a much taller design with a second tower.



While I wish they hadn't cut the second tower and shortened the height of Tower 1, I prefer the main tower design we actually got than the one in this rendering. I'm thankful we got the tower at all.

Like I said earlier, the addition of spires is the dawn of a new age for LA.

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Me, along with the vast majority of LA have welcomed the termination of the heli-pad rule. Now it's up to the developers to show us what they can do with that freedom. The Mack Urban tower will also contain a spire, and Oceanwide's 3 towers will contain parapets. The skyline of LA will essentially double in size by 2023. It's the first spire to grace the LA skyline, i'm not complaining
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Old September 15th, 2016, 06:25 AM   #3629
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Agreed, the tower as built, is much more aesthetically pleasing than the one in the concept render, although the tower as built is shorter. I will say that the spire in the concept render is more proportionate and tasteful, and if they had stuck with those dimensions for the spire, I bet we wouldn't be getting the dumb hate posts for this otherwise attractive building.
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Old September 15th, 2016, 10:03 AM   #3630
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Old September 15th, 2016, 10:42 AM   #3631
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L.A. Doesn't Need Spires. It Needs to Play Itself
L.A.gets a spire. So what? The fact that the Wilshire Grand Center—a me-too curve of a glass tower that could would look as much at home (or not) in Shenzhen or Dubai as it does in Southern California’s supposed urban epicenter— gets a spindly spire and a domed sky lobby for its hotel patrons will not make either it or the city’s future skyscrapers any better or worse. It will also not help downtown L.A. in the way that the renovation of existing buildings and the erection of a few more culture palaces already has.

Downtown Los Angeles already has two pretty decent skyscrapers, though they are not of very recent vintage: the U.S. Bank Tower, and the Gas Company Tower. The first is a good exemplar of the classic type, rising up in bundles that culminate in a crenelated top not particularly bereft of a spire. The second is one of the more elegant versions of the slab, that basic building block of office-based modernist urbanism.

Now the city has changed its antiquated regulations, which had mandated flat tops for fire evacuations—and had helped the staging of countless movie scenes of daring escapes and gunfights between helicopters and people on top of downtown towers—to allow for spires. This allows the Wilshire Grand Center to make it the"tallest" building in L.A. with little grace or elegance.
Meanwhile, at ground level, downtown is expanding its role as Southern California’s command, control, and culture center.
"Supertalls" are pretty irrelevant to all of that. They might help to mark downtown on the skyline, and help the Grand’s major investor, Korean Airlines, mark both its own and its nation’s ascendancy, but neither it, nor its spire, will make Los Angeles any better. It will actually make L.A. more like any other city, in the same way that all that renovation downtown will as well.

If L.A. and every other downtown wanted to really improve themselves, they should ask themselves this question: What set of conditions, both human-made and natural, make this place different, beautiful, and meaningful? In L.A., the layering of different borrowings of Spanish architectural styles, modernist grids, and a predilection for stage sets, mixed with the presence of the L.A. River and its human-made equivalent in terms of linear motion, the freeways that intersect there; the placement on a plane between the Angeles Crest and the Pacific Ocean; and a more careful reading of everything—from both local to imported vegetation and climate—might provide clues. A look at the Loyola Law School compound created by Frank Gehry, FAIA, during the 1980s might be an interesting model, as might Union Station, though that delicate jewel is about to be encased in could-be-anywhere mega-development as well....


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Old September 15th, 2016, 06:09 PM   #3632
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L.A. Doesn't Need Spires. It Needs to Play Itself
L.A.gets a spire. So what? The fact that the Wilshire Grand Center—a me-too curve of a glass tower that could would look as much at home (or not) in Shenzhen or Dubai as it does in Southern California’s supposed urban epicenter— gets a spindly spire and a domed sky lobby for its hotel patrons will not make either it or the city’s future skyscrapers any better or worse. It will also not help downtown L.A. in the way that the renovation of existing buildings and the erection of a few more culture palaces already has.

Downtown Los Angeles already has two pretty decent skyscrapers, though they are not of very recent vintage: the U.S. Bank Tower, and the Gas Company Tower. The first is a good exemplar of the classic type, rising up in bundles that culminate in a crenelated top not particularly bereft of a spire. The second is one of the more elegant versions of the slab, that basic building block of office-based modernist urbanism.

Now the city has changed its antiquated regulations, which had mandated flat tops for fire evacuations—and had helped the staging of countless movie scenes of daring escapes and gunfights between helicopters and people on top of downtown towers—to allow for spires. This allows the Wilshire Grand Center to make it the"tallest" building in L.A. with little grace or elegance.
Meanwhile, at ground level, downtown is expanding its role as Southern California’s command, control, and culture center.
"Supertalls" are pretty irrelevant to all of that. They might help to mark downtown on the skyline, and help the Grand’s major investor, Korean Airlines, mark both its own and its nation’s ascendancy, but neither it, nor its spire, will make Los Angeles any better. It will actually make L.A. more like any other city, in the same way that all that renovation downtown will as well.

If L.A. and every other downtown wanted to really improve themselves, they should ask themselves this question: What set of conditions, both human-made and natural, make this place different, beautiful, and meaningful? In L.A., the layering of different borrowings of Spanish architectural styles, modernist grids, and a predilection for stage sets, mixed with the presence of the L.A. River and its human-made equivalent in terms of linear motion, the freeways that intersect there; the placement on a plane between the Angeles Crest and the Pacific Ocean; and a more careful reading of everything—from both local to imported vegetation and climate—might provide clues. A look at the Loyola Law School compound created by Frank Gehry, FAIA, during the 1980s might be an interesting model, as might Union Station, though that delicate jewel is about to be encased in could-be-anywhere mega-development as well....


Very well said. Could not agree more.
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Old September 15th, 2016, 08:17 PM   #3633
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There are some good points here, but you really should link to or at least credit the author.
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Old September 15th, 2016, 08:53 PM   #3634
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The author made a few good points, but Wilshire Grand is the wrong target. He seems to be saying L.A. has enough skyscrapers, that it should embrace lowrise sprawl architecture. Wilshire Grand is maybe the most elegant new skyscraper on the West Coast, and easily the best skyscraper in downtown LA. The flat-top regulation may be good for cliche action scenes in movies, but it ruined LA's skyline. There's a reason why other cities have embraced spires and crowns--they look good, they create drama. The helicopter pad regulation was arbitrary, non-functional, and obsolete. Wilshire Grand made LA's skyline better by revising that pointless building code. Going after the tenant is a simple ad hominem attack and an attempt to smear the architecture of the tower along with the ambitions of the company.

Holding Gehry up as an exemplar of where LA architecture should be going just shows how out of touch and outdated his ideas are. He's peddling post-war nostalgia and brainless provincialism. In his meandering invocation of the natural and build environment of LA, "Spanish architectural styles, LA river, modernist grid, etc." he's carefully avoided the historic, vertical LA-- City Hall (another AC Martin contribution), the tower of Bullocks on Wilshire, Watts Towers etc. Before sprawl continued to sap the city of vitality, ambition, money and glamour, LA was building vertical, proudly, elegantly, and with glamour:


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Old September 15th, 2016, 10:12 PM   #3635
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Regarding that thing of the record of height with the addition of the spire, this is what the architect states... If up to you if you believe him or not...

Architect of LA’s tallest building says he didn’t intend for it be the tallest

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"I told [fire officials] I’m going to build a third staircase and a firemen-dedicated elevator with an impenetrable shaft, so there would be no need to have a helipad, and they agreed. This allowed us to add a spire, and all of a sudden the building was to be 1,100 feet tall. We didn’t realize it would be the tallest building in the West until an L.A. Times staffer wrote about it. But it was never our goal."
http://la.curbed.com/2016/9/14/12914...ot-intentional
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Old September 15th, 2016, 11:55 PM   #3636
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There are some good points here, but you really should link to or at least credit the author.
Here's the article from '14 he copied.

http://www.architectmagazine.com/des...-play-itself_o
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Old September 16th, 2016, 07:11 AM   #3637
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So...what's wrong with spire?
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Old September 16th, 2016, 10:18 AM   #3638
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Anyone complaining about something as trivial as a spire must not have been here during the late 2000's when there was literally ONE SINGLE BUILDING being built in DTLA.

Jesus Christ, we have a new supertall, several towers over 30 stories currently u/c and thousands of new residents coming into downtown, along with all the businesses and retail they bring with them.

Spires should be an afterthought at this point.
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Old September 16th, 2016, 11:26 AM   #3639
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