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Old March 15th, 2012, 09:56 PM   #361
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I'm scratching my head on this. First they say they're drastically changing the scope of the hotel. But then they claim they will be building that tower per the original schedule without delay. That either means that they're targeting a different kind of hotel operator and will simply cram more rooms into the existing envelope or they're in a mad rush to redesign the hotel tower to add floors. Remember that many hotels have over 1,000 rooms in buildings under 40 floors. So room count is less telling for me than that timetable. If DTLA can support another high-end branded luxury hotel this baby can go as tall as the office tower that was proposed. If an operator will only sign onto a mid-market product then 900 rooms could be squeezed into the existing 750 footer. And if they mix in Class A office space into this tower, that means the building will have to be redesigned. What I want to hear from Martin is that the site will be cleared as scheduled but that the tower will be delayed due the redesign process.


The original design was 560 rooms in 45-50 floors and 750 feet, since it's now 900 and then you add the office portion and it's likely this building will be well higher than that, The only way it won't be tall is if it's very wide, which I really hope won't happen.
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Old March 16th, 2012, 12:58 AM   #362
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The original design was 560 rooms in 45-50 floors and 750 feet, since it's now 900 and then you add the office portion and it's likely this building will be well higher than that, The only way it won't be tall is if it's very wide, which I really hope won't happen.
Isn't it curious that the thread title says "34 fl"? Perhaps that should be changed.
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Old March 16th, 2012, 01:43 AM   #363
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Isn't it curious that the thread title says "34 fl"? Perhaps that should be changed.
Well there were many figures thrown around... most of them said 45-54

The old renderings showed the tower much smaller which is probably when it could have been 34 floors, but the recent ones show it at about 750 feet, likely 54 floors which was mentioned on the news at one point (as was the 45 figure)
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Old March 16th, 2012, 01:50 AM   #364
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I still think this is going to be a good sized building.

From the Downtown L.A. News:

"It is uncertain how much office space would be included in the new plan. Martin said the concept is to locate the office space on lower floors, above a commercial/retail component. Hotel rooms would go on top."
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Old March 16th, 2012, 01:53 AM   #365
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Sounds promising. I still hope to god it won't be fat, or have a big base
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Old March 16th, 2012, 02:38 AM   #366
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As I posted in the LA forum, LA Downtown News Updated their article from yeterday;

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Update: While specifications for the single tower are still under study, Martin said it would be closer in height to the approved phase two office building. That structure was most recently imagined as a 60-story tower, but the entitlements would allow for a building of 1,250 feet in height, or 75-80 stories. If Korean Air built the tower as tall as its approvals allow, it would surpass U.S. Bank Tower as the tallest building west of the Mississippi River.
At least it's clearer now what we should expect.
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Old March 16th, 2012, 02:53 AM   #367
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As I posted in the LA forum, LA Downtown News Updated their article from yeterday;

At least it's clearer now what we should expect.
Fantastic! A redesign as a supertall is still possible!
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Old March 16th, 2012, 05:50 AM   #368
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It's actually quite probable, like I said, this isn't really bad news, maybe a little in the aspect that there won't be 2 towers, but LA will likely see it's new tallest.
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I hope it's completely different than what was originally planned with the office tower. I was never a big fan of that design, though I like the idea of a spire.
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Old March 16th, 2012, 06:20 AM   #370
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I hope it's completely different than what was originally planned with the office tower. I was never a big fan of that design, though I like the idea of a spire.
I agree it was basically the BOA tower in NY on steroids. They could do better.
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Old March 16th, 2012, 08:17 PM   #371
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I like the design!
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This will surely be LA tallest tower, permits allow it to reach the height of 1,250 feet and range from 75 to 80 stories.
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Old March 17th, 2012, 11:12 PM   #373
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think of this if the smaller tower had 560 rooms in 750 feet how high will this one be including the 900 hotel rooms plus residential floors

lets do the math

old proposal 560 rooms/750 feet, new tower 900 rooms/1205 feet + residential floors

old proposal 560 rooms/45 floors, new tower 900 rooms/72 floors + residential floors

old proposal 45 floors/750 feet, new tower 80 floors/1333 feet or 75 floors/1250 feet
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think of this if the smaller tower had 560 rooms in 750 feet how high will this one be including the 900 hotel rooms plus residential floors

lets do the math

old proposal 560 rooms/750 feet, new tower 900 rooms/1205 feet + residential floors

old proposal 560 rooms/45 floors, new tower 900 rooms/72 floors + residential floors

old proposal 45 floors/750 feet, new tower 80 floors/1333 feet or 75 floors/1250 feet
From what I understand, they can't build anything higher than 1,250. That's what their permit allows. Of course, they could make the building wider, but I would think they'd want to go the full height to have the title of tallest building in LA and west of Chicago.
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From what I understand, they can't build anything higher than 1,250. That's what their permit allows. Of course, they could make the building wider, but I would think they'd want to go the full height to have the title of tallest building in LA and west of Chicago.
yeah i guess so, if they were planning to build a 750 ft and 1250 ft tower, they will certaintly build this one as high as the permits allow it

1,250 feet and 80 floors is great
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Old March 23rd, 2012, 02:31 AM   #376
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You really can't do math based on the prior design. The new tower will almost certainly be wider and therefore not as tall. It'll be great if it clears the 1000 foot mark. I'm hoping for something completely different, as I agree, the former design felt so NYC BoA.
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You really can't do math based on the prior design. The new tower will almost certainly be wider and therefore not as tall. It'll be great if it clears the 1000 foot mark. I'm hoping for something completely different, as I agree, the former design felt so NYC BoA.
It depends, they still likely want the tallest in the city title and with more than twice the space as the 750 foot tower, they could still realize that. I'm not saying it will be 1250 feet, but it could be higher than 1018 (Library Tower)
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i reall y hope they build this tower to the limit andmake it 1,250 feet tall to the roof
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Sad that they had to downgrade it to a single tower, although at least we don't have to wait for the smaller one to be completed before the taller one had a chance. Now we might just get the supertall worked on without the long wait, and hopefully, with the added number of rooms, the tower will be even taller than the previous.
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Sad that they had to downgrade it to a single tower, although at least we don't have to wait for the smaller one to be completed before the taller one had a chance. Now we might just get the supertall worked on without the long wait, and hopefully, with the added number of rooms, the tower will be even taller than the previous.
permits allow it to be 1,250 feet at most and 75-80 stories
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