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Old November 7th, 2016, 09:54 PM   #3821
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Why exist so less highrise appartement buildings?
Space. A vast hinterland, suburbs, dormitory cities, feeder communities, and a high degree of freeway reticulation makes high-density living less of a requirement. It's the same reason I and others gave for a smaller CBD.

But, look at what is there in terms of apartment complexes: aren't they all over the place, just low-er rise? That's the space thing again: high-rise buildings + space = low-rise buildings.
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Old November 7th, 2016, 10:37 PM   #3822
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sure, it is not neccessary to build highrises. But it is great living high above and enjoy the view specially looking at a great Downtown. Demand would be big i guess. Look at Toronto or Manila. Both cities have much space but these build lots of condominium towers.
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Old November 7th, 2016, 10:49 PM   #3823
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You're missing the point: there's no *economic* imperative to build high. It might be nice to live high and have views but there needs to be a reason to build high in the first place. A tall building costs a lot to build and the owner therefore needs to be able to charge much more per unit of floor area. You can't charge high rates if land value is relatively low since your competitors will be able to offer the same area for a lower price.

And you're not comparing apples with apples: the population density of Toronto is three times that (10,000 km/sq) of Los Angeles (3,000 km/sq), and Manila's is a whopping seven times (21,000 km/sq).

Imagine taking a city and squeezing it by three to seven times. What effect will that have? Things will start to move vertically very quickly.



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sure, it is not neccessary to build highrises. But it is great living high above and enjoy the view specially looking at a great Downtown. Demand would be big i guess. Look at Toronto or Manila. Both cities have much space but these build lots of condominium towers.
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Old November 7th, 2016, 11:07 PM   #3824
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sure, it is not neccessary to build highrises. But it is great living high above and enjoy the view specially looking at a great Downtown. Demand would be big i guess. Look at Toronto or Manila. Both cities have much space but these build lots of condominium towers.
You forget that L.A. is full of mountains and hills. All the rich neighborhoods are on the sides and tops of mountains. You can literally find over a million homes with great views. And that's homes not apartments. Private homes with lawns, yards, pools, garages, etc. with amazing views of the valleys below, mountains in the distance, the Pacific in many places, and down town from every direction. I personally much rather live in a home on a hill, than in a high-rise.


By the way, here's a link to where I like to ride my bike. Just look at those views. https://goo.gl/maps/D6y26r8AYfp Google uses a very wide lens. In real life down town is clearly visible from here.

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Old November 7th, 2016, 11:13 PM   #3825
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yes you are right. Last time I spent a few weeks in L.A. was 1988/89.
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Old November 8th, 2016, 08:48 PM   #3826
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The main reason LA isn't littered with skyscrapers is geography. It was built on a massive ocean plane bracketed by mountains to start. Plus at the time LA was becoming established, the people that came out here were fleeing the cramped life of NY and Boston and Chicago, so the mentality was to build out and low to maximize outdoor space since Los Angeles has amazing weather year round. There was no desire or need for skyscrapers at that point. Flash forward to now, and LA is built out. It cant expand any further...hence the sudden uptick in high rise residential development. The east coast cities were hemmed in early to smaller footprints due to a ring of suburbs, so they had to build up. Add in the Sunbelt came of age during the reign of the automobile, so distance became less of an issue, so cities spread out across the land.
That's why the Snowbelt and the Sunbelt megalopolis' look so different.
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Old November 9th, 2016, 11:32 AM   #3827
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Old November 10th, 2016, 04:55 AM   #3828
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what is the reason that so less highrise appartments exist in L.A.?
There was so much room. Instead of building up they built out. Although after a century of suburbanism the Downtown area is becoming the hottest neighborhood in the whole city. It's currently undergoing the biggest boom to ever happen in downtown's history. It'll look pretty dense and tall by the time it hosts the Olympics.
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Old November 11th, 2016, 12:03 AM   #3829
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Old November 11th, 2016, 01:18 AM   #3830
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Old November 11th, 2016, 05:15 AM   #3831
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Old November 11th, 2016, 01:12 PM   #3832
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Old November 11th, 2016, 03:30 PM   #3833
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Old November 11th, 2016, 06:10 PM   #3834
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Old November 11th, 2016, 06:27 PM   #3835
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amazing photo and one fake supertall
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Old November 11th, 2016, 11:08 PM   #3836
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amazing photo and one fake supertall
Actually to the top of the crown it is exactly 1,000 feet. The placement of the tower throws the height off which is why the bunker hill towers which are AT MOST 750' in height appear to be closer to 800-850. AON is a whole 100 feet taller than Two Cal Plaza and they appear almost exactly the same in some angles. While some might say it's not as drastic, go stand on the corner of 5th & Grand and notice how it continues to go down as you look south.
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Old November 11th, 2016, 11:46 PM   #3837
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Actually to the top of the crown it is exactly 1,000 feet. The placement of the tower throws the height off which is why the bunker hill towers which are AT MOST 750' in height appear to be closer to 800-850. AON is a whole 100 feet taller than Two Cal Plaza and they appear almost exactly the same in some angles. While some might say it's not as drastic, go stand on the corner of 5th & Grand and notice how it continues to go down as you look south.
Unfortunately Mojeda the height to the crown is 934 feet not 1000 feet.
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Old November 11th, 2016, 11:50 PM   #3838
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Actually to the top of the crown it is exactly 1,000 feet.
Where are you getting that from? All the resources I have found indicate the uppermost roof (where the helicopter "assault pad" is) is 934 feet, with the lower roof (with the outdoor terrace) is at 827.
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Old November 12th, 2016, 12:57 AM   #3839
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Where are you getting that from? All the resources I have found indicate the uppermost roof (where the helicopter "assault pad" is) is 934 feet, with the lower roof (with the outdoor terrace) is at 827.
Yeah sorry I had some outdated information.

827 ft (252m) – Plaza to Sky Pool
934 ft (285m) – Plaza to Top of Crown
1,100 ft (335m) – Plaza to Top of Spire
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Old November 12th, 2016, 01:15 AM   #3840
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Good old TV reference there.

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Nice how Bruce Willis is associated with that type view and the Fox Plaza over at Century City.

Moonlighting intro:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vrAOn7c3dIM
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