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Old January 2nd, 2017, 09:41 PM   #3961
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Old January 4th, 2017, 12:28 AM   #3962
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This building is NOT the tallest on the West Coast (Salesforce is). The only reason why it is listed as the tallest is because of the spire and that is cheating.
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Old January 4th, 2017, 12:43 AM   #3963
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This building is NOT the tallest on the West Coast (Salesforce is). The only reason why it is listed as the tallest is because of the spire and that is cheating.
"Cheating" has already been discussed to death so don't start again.

Salesforce is also not the tallest since it has non-functional decoration on the top as well. The only approach that rules out "gimmickry" of this sort is to measure from the ceiling (or floor since that data is more commonly available)of the highest regularly occupied internal space.

Unless someone changed in mid-build, that would be the Library Tower in LA.
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Old January 4th, 2017, 12:47 AM   #3964
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Old January 4th, 2017, 12:48 AM   #3965
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yep, if the spire is "cheating", then the Salesforce tower is also "cheating" and the US Bank tower is still the tallest on the west coast.
(but yeah, I think that horse is pretty well beaten by now.)
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Old January 4th, 2017, 01:32 AM   #3966
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yep, if the spire is "cheating", then the Salesforce tower is also "cheating" and the US Bank tower is still the tallest on the west coast.
(but yeah, I think that horse is pretty well beaten by now.)
No kidding. People need to get over it, or send their complaints to the CTBUH. SSC forumers didn't create the rules.
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Old January 4th, 2017, 02:46 AM   #3967
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"Cheating" has already been discussed to death so don't start again.

Salesforce is also not the tallest since it has non-functional decoration on the top as well. The only approach that rules out "gimmickry" of this sort is to measure from the ceiling (or floor since that data is more commonly available)of the highest regularly occupied internal space.

Unless someone changed in mid-build, that would be the Library Tower in LA.
Ok fine, but when comparing only the WGC and Salesforce buildings itself, Salesforce is taller if you don't count the spires or non-functional decoration as you call it.
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Old January 4th, 2017, 03:18 AM   #3968
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Non-functional decoration?

The CTBUH, for instance, does not count antennae in height. Antennae are most certainly *functional* decoration. It only counts to the architectural top which includes spires.

You see, the thing is, once you get into the subjective nitpicking of what constitutes the top (and bottom, for that matter) of a building, you have given up any claim to a consensus. And it's consensus the accepted height definition rests upon. There is actually no *objective* standard by which to make an evaluation. Consensus can be most unsatisfying, but as far as this is concerned, it's the best we've got.

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Ok fine, but when comparing only the WGC and Salesforce buildings itself, Salesforce is taller if you don't count the spires or non-functional decoration as you call it.
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Old January 4th, 2017, 04:45 AM   #3969
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Old January 4th, 2017, 03:36 PM   #3970
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Old January 4th, 2017, 09:52 PM   #3971
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Old January 5th, 2017, 12:06 AM   #3972
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Ok fine, but when comparing only the WGC and Salesforce buildings itself, Salesforce is taller if you don't count the spires or non-functional decoration as you call it.
Barely, but those exceptions aren't made in the real world. Both structures have a parapet. Wilshire Grand has a spire on top of it which is counted towards the overall height. If you want to go by roof height salesforce goes to 970 while the WG goes to 934, unfortunately for salesforce the spires count thus giving WG the title, weather you like it or not.
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Old January 6th, 2017, 05:40 AM   #3973
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Here is what they would look like side by side. Decide for yourselves. This is ordered by official height.

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Old January 6th, 2017, 05:56 AM   #3974
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Uh, that diagram is wrong. WG is too short there, the spire should be a 1,100'.
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Old January 6th, 2017, 06:20 AM   #3975
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Uh, that diagram is wrong. WG is too short there, the spire should be a 1,100'.

Not sure what diagram you're looking at. It's clearly at 1100 feet.
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Old January 6th, 2017, 06:24 AM   #3976
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Here is what they would look like side by side. Decide for yourselves. This is ordered by official height.

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Now you are just being silly. So you don't care if one of those was hollow and made of cardboard as long as it looks tall?
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Old January 6th, 2017, 07:10 AM   #3977
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Not sure what diagram you're looking at. It's clearly at 1100 feet.
Not sure if the poster changed it but I could've sworn it was different when I saw it first.

Edit: it appears when I viewed it on a laptop, the upper part of the spire wasn't visible.
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Old January 6th, 2017, 07:53 AM   #3978
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The upper part of the spire is quite a bit lighter than the lower part so on some screens it might look like it's not there.

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Not sure if the poster changed it but I could've sworn it was different when I saw it first.

Edit: it appears when I viewed it on a laptop, the upper part of the spire wasn't visible.
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Old January 6th, 2017, 02:33 PM   #3979
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That diagram is incorrect. They have the roof and the Crown of the salesforce tower at 1070' when in fact the roof is 970' and the hollow crown makes it to 1070'
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Old January 6th, 2017, 07:37 PM   #3980
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Now you are just being silly. So you don't care if one of those was hollow and made of cardboard as long as it looks tall?
Until another roof comes in over 1018' the tallest building on the west coast is US Bank Tower. I see it everyday and it's obvious WG doesn't measure up regardess of wha the CBUTH says.
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